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Blatant, Flat Out Apostasy...The Noahide Movement
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2020/10/06/blatant-flat-out-apostasy-on-display-noahide-community/ ^ | 10-05-20 | Bill Randles

Posted on 10/05/2020 5:14:12 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles

“In the Last days, many shall depart from the faith giving heed to seeding Spirits and Doctrines of Devils…” (I Timothy 4:1)

If you want to see shocking apostasy on display, look no further than what is called the Noahide movement.

Noachides, are gentiles who do not want to convert to Judaism, but are intrigued by it, attracted to it, and open to it’s vigorous criticism of Christianity. Since all living men are descended from Noah and one of his Sons, Rabbis teach that Righteousness for Gentiles comes by subscription to one of the seven General laws for all men. It is shocking how appealing this has become to many who had been Christian at one time.

I have been involved as a Pastor and Author in the defense of the Faith for about thirty years now critiquing the errant Spiritual Warfare movement the Toronto Blessing and Pensacola phenomenom and have written books on how to discern false Prophets and false movements.

But I have not seen apostasy as blatant and dangerous as what I have been seeing coming out of the so called “Noahide Movement”.

What is it about this movement that I find so disturbing?

I have recently been witness to the open testimony of “Pastors” calling themselves “ex Christians” referring to our LORD as “JC man” and in effect denouncing the cross, the deity of Christ, the need for the blood of Jesus, being born again, and the New Testament, in the name of the Torah of God!

Here is a link to just one example of a “testimony” of a former Pastor who has renounced Christianity, and become “Torah Observant”.

I have no problem with the recognition of the fact that Jesus Christ is Jewish as are the Bible, the Apostles, the epistles and the majority of the early church. Our religion is thoroughly Jewish and an appreciation of it is very important to take into account if one wants a deep and rich understanding of our faith.

Furthermore I believe that the near ignorance promoted in many churches of the so called “Old Testament” has set many up for this apostasy, which will damn the souls of all of those who take it as far as the former pastor whose testimony I have linked above.

It is one thing for Christians to come to an appreciation for the Jewish roots of our faith. It is another to “go Torah”, study under Rabbis such as Tovia Singer, and others, ( Who have launched direct, intense and devastating assaults on nearly everything we Christians believe. What is the end of this Journey?

For some, the end is an interest in Jewish roots, the feasts of the LORD, Sabbath observance, perhaps going Kosher, calling Jesus “Yeshua” etc. But for an increasing number of others, the end is much more ominous… Joining the Noahide community, (which means reconverting as a “Righteous Gentile”), seeking Righteousness by subscription to the “seven Noahide laws” , ( instead of Righteousness by Faith in Jesus), and renouncing Jesus as LORD and Savior.

I don’t recommend everybody listen to the testimony above, I shared it because it is a perfect illustration of the phenomenom I am warning about. Here we had a very “successful” evangelical Pastor, whose spiritual emptiness in the world of shallow church; growth, success, etc, led him to Rabbis, the Torah, and neo Judaism.( The Judaism of today is not the same Judaism as that of the Prophets and of Jesus).

The comments afterward scared me as much as the testimony. They numbered in the hundreds and frequently began “Since I left xtianity…”, or made reference to “jc man”,

Here are some examples(No names)

I said the exact same thing when I left xtianity for Torah Judaism: I was born again – again! That’s exactly what it felt like. I’d been a xtian from age 18 to 62. It only took a few study groups & videos for me to see the truth. Baruch Hashem!

This is 2018 and for 4 years i struggled – the same struggle. All my life i have been a so called christian and i am tired. I need to be home with the Adonai that is echad. Thank you. This is happening to many christians. Hashwm is doing a great work.

…this testimony was very inspiring. I have went through close to the same discoveries that He went through coming out of Idolartry ie Xtianity! it’s great to hear such amazing stories of devout Gentiles seeking Truth, finding truth in Torah and Judaism!

There are hundreds more of these. It all sounds so appealing and nice. It sounds a lot like Christian testimonies that we have all heard over the years, and rejoiced in. Until you really realize what each of these testimonies entails; the repudiation of Jesus…His deity…his claims…his sacrifice as a propitiation… .

Much of this apostasy is an indictment of the increasingly shallow aspect of modern evangelicalism, the “seeker sensitive movement”, church growth programs, teeny bopper worship leaders, etc, etc, leaving serious minded seekers of God empty and disillusioned as this response to the apostate pastor’s testimony heartbreakingly relates,

…When you talk about reading the book on the ‘pastor’s guide to building a church’ and you felt sicker the more you read it. I had a similar experience but in a different way. I was attending church for 2 years and by the 3rd year, I found I couldn’t sit in teachings anymore because I would literally feel so sick in my stomach. I would feel like I wanted to vomit. All I saw was a promotion, a business, an entertainment venue. I had this overwhelming feeling like they were desecrating the word of G-d and it made me sick. I had to walk out. In fact, I walked out of a conference by a mega-church that I’d paid $300 to attend. I walked out not even half way through the 1st of of 3 day conference and gave my tickets away. I’ve been in the Messianic movement for 7 months but i’m just now seeing the truth about who HaShem really is. That Jesus is not the Messiah whether you call him Jesus, or Yeshua. He’s still not it! Only the Jews have the knowledge of HaShem. There is only one G-d!

We are living the book of Hebrews again. People who had at one time converted to Christ, knew Him, and many who had actually served in the ministry, are being persuaded to cast all of that aside, in the name of “Hashem” and the “Torah”.

Hebrews has very powerful warnings to the apostates,

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. ( Hebrews 6: 4-8)

I will be explaining what the Noachide movement is, and talking about the new breed of super enthusiastic, aggressive Rabbis on the scene today, who are attacking Christianity on every level, they call the Apostles an Jesus into Question, accuse us all of AntiSemitism, discredit the Bible and accuse Apostles of daring to distort the test of scripture.

I see this movement as being potentially devastating to the many, who for various reasons are disillusioned with “church as usual” or as it has developed to be, with shallow and humanistic preaching, and are at a point where the newness and mystique of “going Torah” could send them over the eternal precipice forever. Jesus is LORD.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; gospel; jewish; law; noahide; zot

1 posted on 10/05/2020 5:14:12 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

We used to have some noahidites around FR.

Maybe they’re still here.

Marking to stop back later.

.....

In college, I had a notebook calendar made of noahide...


2 posted on 10/05/2020 5:18:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead...)
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To: pastorbillrandles; Gamecock; SaveFerris; PROCON

I converted to the Naugahyde movement. I’m going to cover all my Ottomans with Naugahyde and start an empire - the Naugaman Empire. Just need to find some Naugas and convert them. I need a song. “Roll ‘em, roll ‘em, roll ‘em, Naugahyde!”


3 posted on 10/05/2020 5:21:17 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: pastorbillrandles

As in the days of Noah...


4 posted on 10/05/2020 5:22:35 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: pastorbillrandles

It will lead these foolish ex-Christians to Anti-Christ, or his Jewish name, Metatron


5 posted on 10/05/2020 5:31:31 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: sauropod

Review


6 posted on 10/05/2020 5:36:18 PM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply.)
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To: Larry Lucido

“Naugahyde by itself cannot stand. It needeth a foundation of linoleum and formica.”

I used to have an Ottoman but I kept tripping over it when I came home from work trying to kiss Laura.

Seriously though, I would agree with this essay. After 2000 years Paul is still correct - people always want the new shiny thing that tickles their itching ears.


7 posted on 10/05/2020 5:58:21 PM PDT by PlateOfShrimp (c)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Some Jews believe the 10 Commandments are only for them, the seven Noahide laws apply to everyone else. Of course, the Jews have the 640 or so mitzvahs which contain the 10. the seven laws of Noah are:

1. Not to worship idols.
2. Not to curse God.
3. To establish courts of justice.
4. Not to commit murder.
5. Not to commit adultery, bestiality, or sexual immorality.
6. Not to steal.
7. Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

I suppose a Christian could say Jesus, a Jew, brought the 10 commandments to everybody.


8 posted on 10/05/2020 6:02:15 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: pastorbillrandles

Incoming......

because there are a fair number of Noahides here on FR.


9 posted on 10/05/2020 6:27:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

“Not the messiah”

Yikes - antichrist


10 posted on 10/05/2020 6:55:15 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

Just wait until the author encounters a New Unreformed Muggletonian.


11 posted on 10/05/2020 7:02:11 PM PDT by Mogger
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To: pastorbillrandles

You think the tiny amount of people going in this direction are more important than the huge amount who are just leaving Christianity to become secular or atheist?


12 posted on 10/05/2020 7:02:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

You think the tiny amount of people going in this direction are more important than the huge amount who are just leaving Christianity to become secular or atheist?

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I’m an old man, I’ve seen a lot. One thing I’ve noticed is that 7 decades ago or so people were all pretty much in the middle. There were some zealots but not a lot, most were the same. Since the 60’s I have seen a change, more and more zealots on both sides of religion and no religion, Christianity or Judaism or even Islam but there is no longer a middle.

I believe the lord of the vineyard is bringing back the original branches and splicing them back in to the trunk, a great winnowing is taking place. It is not pretty.

I am fortunate in my long time on earth I have seen enough miracles, I have had enough personal experiences that I can say I know Jesus Christ, the son of The Living God lives, just as Peter did when asked by Christ who He was. God has revealed these things to me and I am saddened by the choices the majority of the world is making to deny The Savior. I fear they will come to regret their wrong decisions.


13 posted on 10/05/2020 8:17:59 PM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Mogger

LOL


14 posted on 10/05/2020 8:45:33 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; pastorbillrandles
I've been involved in a few discussions with them, as well.

O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? (Galatians 3:1,2)

15 posted on 10/05/2020 9:04:19 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: IndispensableDestiny
well there was the Code of hammurabi from earlier, but that is more a legal system

Note:  The Code of Hammurabi  was a compilation of almost three hundred laws on every aspect of life.  Much can be learned both about Mesopotamian life and ideals through these laws.   It should be kept in mind that we cannot be sure how well enforced these laws were, but it is safe to say that a powerful king in ancient Mesopotamia thought these were the laws that would guide a just society.  This code was not was not an entirely new set of laws, but a compilation and revision of earlier law codes of the Sumerians and Akkadians

 

Prologue:

. . . When Marduk (God of Babylon) sent me to rule the people and to bring help to the country, I established law and justice in the language of the land and promoted the welfare of the people.  At that time I decreed:

Justice

 1. If a man brings an accusation against another man, charging him with murder, but cannot prove it, the accuser shall be put to death.
 2. If a man has accused another of laying a spell upon him, but has not proved it, the accused shall go to the sacred river, he shall plunge into the sacred river, and if the sacred river shall conquer him, he that accused him shall take possession of his house.  If the sacred river shall show his innocence and he is saved, his accuser shall be put to death.
 3. If a man bears false witness in a case, or does not establish the testimony that he has given, if that case is case involving life, that man shall be put to death.
 4. If a man bears false witness concerning grain or money, he shall himself bear the penalty imposed in the case.
 5. If a judge pronounces judgment, renders a decision, delivers a verdict duly signed and sealed, and afterward alters his judgment , they shall call that judge to account for the alteration of the judgment which he has pronounced, and he shall pay twelve-fold the penalty in that judgment; and, in the assembly, they shall expel him from his judgment seat.

 

Property

 6. If a man has stolen goods from a temple, or house, he shall be put to death; and he that has received the stolen property from him shall be put to death.
 14. If a man has stolen a child, he shall be put to death.
 22. If a man practices robbery and is captured, that man shall be put to death.
 23. If the robber is not captured, the man who has been robbed shall, in the presence of god, make and itemized statement of his loss, and the city and the governor in whose jurisdiction the robbery was committed shall compensate him for whatever was lost.
 24. If it is a life that is lost, the city and governor shall pay (one pound) of silver to his heirs.
 26. If a levy-master, or warrant officer, who has been detailed on the king's service, has not gone, or has hired a substitute in his place, that levy-master or warrant officer shall be put to death and the hired substitute shall take his place.

Irrigation

 53.  If  a man neglects to maintain his dike and does not strengthen it, and a break is made in his dike and the water carries away the farmland, the man in whose dike the break has been made shall replace the grain which has been damaged.
 54. If he is not able to replace the grain, they shall sell him and his goods and the farmers whose grain the water has carried away shall divide the proceeds from the sale.

Trade

 88. If a merchant lends grain at interest, for one gur he shall receive on hundred sila as interest (33 percent); if he lends money at interest, for one shekel of silver he shall receive one-fifth of a shekel as interest.
 104. If a merchant gives to an agent grain, wool, oil, or goods of any kind with which to trade, the agent shall write down the value and return the money to the merchant.  The agent shall take a sealed  receipt for the money which he gives to the merchant.
 105.  If the agent is careless and does not take a receipt for the money which he has given to the merchant, the money not receipted for shall not be placed to his account.
 108. If a wine seller does not take grain for the price of a drink but takes money by the large weight, or if she makes the measure of drink smaller than the measure of grain, they shall call that wine seller to account and throw her into the water.
 109.  If bad characters gather in the house of a wine seller and she does not arrest them and bring them to the palace, that wine seller shall be put to death.
 110. If a priestess who is not living in a convent opens a wine shop or enters a wine shop for a drink, they shall burn that woman.
 117. If a man is in debt and sells his wife, son, or daughter, or binds them over to service, for three years they shall work in the house of their purchaser of master; in the fourth year they shall be given their freedom.

 

Family

 129. If the wife of a man is caught lying with another man, they shall bind them and throw them into the water.  If the husband of the woman wishes to spare his wife, then the king shall spare his servant.
 130. If a man has ravished another's betrothed wife, who is a virgin, while still living in her father's house, and has been caught in the act, that man shall be put to death; the woman shall go free.
 131. If a man has accused his wife but she has not been caught lying with another man, she shall take an oath in the name of god and return to her house.
 138.  If a man wishes to divorce his wife who has not borne him children, he shall give her money to the amount of her marriage price and he shall make good to her the dowry which she brought from her father's house and then he may divorce her.
 141. If the wife of a man who is living in her husband's house, has persisted in going out, has acted the fool, has waster her house, has belittled her husband, he shall prosecute her.  If her husband has said, "I divorce her," she shall go her way; he shall give her nothing as her price of divorce.  If her husband has said "I will not divorce her" he may take another woman to wife; the wife shall live as a slave in her husband's house.
 142.  If a woman has hated her husband and has said, "You shall not possess me,: her past shall be inquired into, as to what she lacks.  If she has been discreet, and has no vice, and her husband has gone out, and has greatly belittled her; that woman has not blame, she shall take her marriage portion and go off to her father's house.
 143. If she has not been discreet, has gone out, ruined her house, belittled her husband, she shall be drowned.
 150. If a man has presented a field, garden, house, or goods to his wife, has granted her a deed of gift, her children, after her husband's death, shall not dispute her right; the mother shall leave it after her death to that one of her children whom she loves best.  She shall not leave it to an outsider.
 153. If a man's wife, for the sake of another, has caused her husband to be killed, that woman shall be impaled
 154. If a man has committed incest with his daughter, that man shall be banished from the city.
 155. If a man has betrothed a maiden to his son and his son has known her, and afterward the man has lain in her bosom, and been caught, that man shall be strangled and she shall be cast into the water.
 156. If a man has betrothed a maiden to his son, and his son has not known her, and that man has lain in her bosom, she shall pay her half a mina of silver, and shall pay over to her whatever she brought from her father's house, and the husband of her choice shall marry her.
 159 If a man who has brought a gift to the house of his father-in-law and has paid the marriage price, looks with longing upon another woman and says to his father-in-law, "I will not marry your daughter," the father of the daughter shall take to himself whatever was brought to him.
 168. If a man sets his face to disinherit his son and says to the judges, "I will disinherit my son," the judges shall inquire into his record, and if the son has not committed a crime sufficiently grave to cut him off from sonship, the father may not cut off his son from sonship.
 170. If a man's wife bears him children and his maidservant bears him children, and the father during his lifetime says to the children which the maidservant bore him, "My children," and reckons them with the children of his wife, after the father dies the children of the wife and the children of the maidservant shall divide the goods of the father's estates equally. The son of the wife shall have the right of choice a the division.

 

Personal Injury

 195. If a son strikes his father, they shall cut off his hand.
 196. If a man destroys the eye of another man, they shall destroy his eye.
 197. If he breaks another man's bone, they shall break his bone.
 198. If he destroys the eye of a plebeian or breaks the bone of a plebeian, he shall pay one mina of silver.
 199. If he destroys the eye of a man's slave or beaks a bone of a man's slave, he shall pay one-half his price.
 200. If a man knocks out a tooth of a man of his own rank, they shall knock out his tooth
 201. If he knocks out a tooth of a plebeian, he shall pay one-third mina of silver
 209. If a man has struck a free woman with child, and has caused her to miscarry, he shall pay ten shekels for her miscarriage
 210. If that woman die, his daughter shall be killed.

 211. If by a blow he has caused a plebian's daughter to have a miscarriage, he shall pay five shekels of silver.

 212. If that woman has died, he shall pay one-half mina of silver.

 213. If  he struck a freeman's female slave and has caused her to have a miscarriage, he shall pay two shekels of silver.

 214. If that female slave has died, he shall pay one-third mina of silver.

 

Physicians and Malpractice

 215. If a physician operates on a man for a sever wound with a bronze lancet and saves the man's life, or if he opens an abscess in the eye of a man with a bronze lancet and saves that man's eye, he shall receive ten shekels of silver.
 216. If he is a plebeian, he shall receive five shekels.
 217. If he is a slave, the owner shall pay two shekels.
 218. If a physician operates on a man for a sever wound with a bronze lancet and causes the man's death, or destroys the man's eye, they shall cut off his hand.
 219. If a physician operates on a slave for a severe wound and causes his death, he shall restore a slave of equal value.

 

Building Code

 229. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, the builder shall be put to death.
 233. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and a wall cracks, that builder shall strengthen that wall at his own expense.

 

Property and Wage Regulations

 244. If a man has hired an ox, or an ass, and a lion has killed it in the open field, the loss falls on the owner.
 245. If a man has hired an ox and has caused its death, by carelessness, or blows, he shall restore ox for ox, to the owner of the ox.
 249. If a man has hired an ox, and god has struck it, and it has died, the man that hired the ox shall make affidavit and go free.
 250. If a bull has gone wild and gored a man, and caused his death, there can be no suit against the owner.
 251. If a man's ox be a gorer, and has revealed its evil propensity as a gorer, and he has not blunted its horn, or shut up the ox, and then that ox has gored a free man, and caused his death, the owner shall pay half a mina of silver
 257. If a man hires a field laborer, he shall pay him eight gur of grain per year.
 258. If a man hires a herdsman, he shall pay him six gur of grain per year.
 268. If a man hires on ox to thresh, twenty sila of grain is his daily hire.
 282. If a slave has said to his master, "You are not my master," he shall be brought to account as his slave, and his master shall cut off his ear.
 

16 posted on 10/14/2020 2:30:25 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: nickcarraway; pastorbillrandles

Nick - imho there is no either/or. Christianity faces a challenge from Islam, from secularism/atheism, from New Age or Hinduism and also from people who think that reformation is to become Noahide.

In my opinion, looking at the way “evangelicals” and pentecostals are moving, the Noahide movement is the next step.


17 posted on 10/14/2020 2:33:15 AM PDT by Cronos
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