Posted on 02/16/2021 6:08:19 PM PST by marshmallow
Former president claims the church is failing those who die unbaptised before or at birth
The Catholic Church’s failure to reflect its concern for the right to life of the unborn with a smilar concern for the right to eternal life of those who die unbaptised before or at birth has been highlighted by former president Mary McAleese.
“These are not rare or exceptional cases. There are tens of millions of them every year. They die by clinical abortion, spontaneous miscarriage, still-birth or from fatal conditions which cause them to die in utero or soon after birth. The vast majority are unbaptised,” she said in an article for the current edition of the Tablet weekly.
“This great assertive champion of the unborn, never short of powerful words in defence of their right to life, retreats into mumbling hesitancy on the subject of their right to life with God after death,” she said.
The church teaches that “baptism wipes away all prior sin and even though the unborn child and the born infant are incapable of sin the Church teaches that, thanks to the sin of Adam, everyone is born ‘with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin’,” she added.
The church taught that a person “who dies in a state of original sin ‘receives his eternal retribution . . . at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgement that refers his life . . . to everlasting damnation.’ In other words they go to hell,” she said.
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Preborn, preborn, preborn!!! One cannot be unborn.
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This woman’s complaint is nonsense. The Church does not ban unbaptized children from Heaven by decree; eternal life is a gift from God. The issue arises from the former belief that, since only the baptized may enter into the Beatific Vision, children who die before baptism were thought to be in Limbo, with no punishment of Hell, since they have committed no personal sin, but without removal of original sin from baptism. I don’t think this is current Church teaching.
McAleese is so incredibly wrong on this it’s not even funny. It’s pathetic, actually.
Unbaptized, aborted babies most certainly DO NOT go to Hell. They are not guilty of any personal sin. True, they still have the stain of Original Sin and many theologians have doubt as to whether their souls will enjoy the fullness of the vision of God. But they will NOT suffer eternal punishment. There is a little teaching about Limbo which Ms. McAleese might want to google in order to enlighten her ignorance. It’s not official Church teaching, but it’s also not a heresy. I learned about this in 2nd grade catechism class.
And how is the Church to blame for not running into an abortion mill and trying to baptize a baby who’s just been torn apart in an abortion. Is she actually blaming the Church for this? Absurd! This is one of the stupidest charges I’ve ever seen. What’s wrong with her?!
She's probably alluding to the theological opinion of "Limbo" where it was hypothesized by some (including Thomas Aquinas) that infants that died without being baptized would not go to heaven, but instead would go to a place of natural happiness called in Latin, "limbus infantum". It was never an official teaching of the Church. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states the following:
CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
Yes, a big, arrogant hypocrite.
This looks like the usual leftist pimping of abortion by hoping to gaslight the pro-life movement. A previous scam was that pro-life advocates supported in utero children up to the moment of birth, then ignored them. Total BS, and the lowest form of sophistry and moral relativism. How is it that Ireland has produced some of the most notorious haters of late? Mary Robinson, Samantha Power; more vicious anti-semites and anti-Israel fanatics never were. Suspect this clown is of a similar mindset.
Baptism, and that will include Catholic baptism, does not give eternal life. GOD gives eternal life by putting HIS SEED in the human spirit. A priest of any religion or denomination cannot convey eternal life by sprinkling water and saying a ‘sacramental recitation’.
Satan is great at causing confusion. The dummy doesn’t know what she is talking about.
She needs to take that up with God, not “Catholic teaching “ as if salvation is somehow generated in the Church.
Salvation only comes from Jesus, even though it is mediated by divine decreee throughthe Catholic Church.
What the Church teaches is not the Churches own authority but the Authority of Jesus Christ. If she wants clearity she should look the the cross.
She is an antichrist in what she speaks, twisting in ignorance what Authentic Church teaching is.
The Sacred Scriptures beg to differ. Besides, no one believes it is the priest or any other man that confers eternal life in by baptism, it is the Holy Spirit acting through him or her.
She has a homosexual son who purports to be married to another man. She is an outspoken advocate of gay rights and critic of traditional Christian teaching on these issues.
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Okay, post the scriptures which prove baptism is the source for receiving eternal life. Baptism is an OUTWARD sign that a person believes and it is counted to them righteousness. THAT is being born again, born from above. The water on the body does not activate any more than a drink defiles a man. And THAT can be proven with scripture.
Matthew 15:17
Perceive ye not yet, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
JESUS said that what a man eats does not defile him because it goes out through the draught. Far more powerful, because it is spiritual activation, is submitting self for baptism. But it is THE REDEEMED who do this, not to obtain salvation but to be OBEDIENT.
It's a logical fallacy in arguments and debates to attack the source without responding to what they say. That is a polemical tactic that only works on those that allowed themselves to be bullied.
I provided an answer to your question, and you answer with belligerence. If you are trying to win someone to Christ that way, good luck.
I'm open to charitable and reasonable discussion, but I don't have time for hostile people. Good night and God bless you.
If you sense 'belligerance' it is not toward you, it would be toward the heresies inherent in catholiciism. You are their victim.
The Catholic assertions over baptism are directly related to Magic Thinking in the which a sacramental ritual gives the power to the ORH's priest to convey that which ONLY God can convey because it is a spiritual reality not a carnal one.
There are many rituals in catholiciism that utilize this Magic Thinking, like the notion that eating bread and drinking wine, if the sacramental utterances by the priest have been made can ingest the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus -God with us- into the person eating the bread and drinking the wine. That is a pagan practice of magic thinking now incorporated into the catholic dogma conflating the spiritual with the carnal, generating a mockery of something GOD commanded for all their generations not to do regarding blood.
How did this even get published? Since when is McAleese a theologian?
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