Posted on 01/24/2022 8:26:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The prohibition of mixing two fabrics only applies to mixing Wool and Linen together.
By whom?
Please show us the books, chapters, and verses where God addresses that.
Could you point to where that list is in Scripture?
I highly recommend this book:
Old Testament Theology for Christians
https://www.amazon.com/Old-Testament-Theology-Christians-Enduring/dp/0830851925
The OT still applies? Cool. Now I have to break it to my wife that I’m going to marry a couple of her friends. Oh, and I think the girl down the street would make a nice concubine if I can agree on a purchase price with her father.
Here's another OT verse along the axis of God's "don't resemble the world" principle: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God." Deut. 22:5 To whom do button-fly pants pertaineth?
The Old Testament is composed largely of three kinds of writing: The Torah; the subsequent history of the Israelites and their relationship to God; and the prophets. Confusing one for the other will lead the uninformed to all sorts of misconceptions. And we know that it was written over a period of about a thousand years, so it naturally speaks with many voices, some of which plainly include myth and allegory as well as actual history. Not to mention poetry and song.
And strawman are a polemical equivalent for you are engaging in division where there is none.
Marcion preached that the benevolent God of the Gospel who sent Jesus Christ into the world as the savior was the true Supreme Being, different and opposed to the malevolent Demiurge or creator god, identified with the Hebrew God of the Old Testament. - WP
In contrast, God's standards have not changed, but the means of salvation on the basis of moral worthiness via law-keeping (cursed unless fully doing so) are shown to be contrary to how men such as Abraham were justified before God, and with Law designed to humble man and trust not in His own righteousness, bjt the mercy of God. Which mercy ultimately is the prophesied scapegoat and suffering servant.
In which obedience to God means under the prophesied New Covenant, (Jer. 31:33) under which literal observance of typological dietary, ceremonial and temple ordinances which given under the Law are abrogated, while observing to the universal moral laws is magnified, and the intent of all the law - which is affirmed to be holy just and good - is to be fulfilled. Effectual Abrahamic-type faith is the means of appropriating acceptance with God, while obedience to God is the effect, both literally keeping the moral laws while fulfilling the intent of the typological laws.
Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:26; cf. Jer 11:3; Ezekiel 20:11)
And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Genesis 15:5-6)
The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. (Psalms 34:18)
And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the Lord at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the Lord, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. (Leviticus 16:7-9)
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. (Leviticus 16:15-16)
And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. (Leviticus 16:21-22)
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (Isaiah 53:1-2) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6)
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. (Isaiah 53:10-11)
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: (Jeremiah 31:31-32)
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Hebrews 8:7-13)
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (Hebrews 9:11-12)For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. (Hebrews 9:16-17)
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: (1 Peter 3:18)
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; (Romans 3:9)
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (Romans 3:20-26)
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: (Romans 4:4-11)
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:43-47)
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. (Acts 15:7-11)
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. (Ephesians 5:5-6)
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (Romans 6:6-18)
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:2-4)
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Romans 8:12-14)
Which I come too short in.
Marcionism disdained procreation and therefor doomed itself.
Jepthah did not kill his daughter!
Lukeie boy’s tactic here is typical of apostate liberalism. When we read the story however and understand what it is actually talking about, there is nothing there you need to explain or defend. It is very clear she went on a retreat with her girlfriends to “bewail her ______________________?”
Now you are also right that it is stupid to try to suggest that we are supposed to copy things that are recorded in the Bible. He knows better than this of course. The Bible is an historically accurate record of real events unless it says otherwise.
Thank you for your contribution metmom, and I do hold you in the highest regard!
Noahidism is not Christian.
Duh…
The OT is pretty interesting in showing how a people evolved over time. Bigamy was discontinued in OT times. Experience showed it was a bad idea, in addition to being contrary to God’s law. To me, the OT is like the family photo album. You see how people grow and change over time. The toddler pics are true and believable. You do not throw them away. You hang onto the foundational principles— the toddler and the rules he lived by are useful to remember and learn from.
I like that quote. Where is it from?
YES! But don’t let satan make you stumble into putting the law over Grace.
The Bible is an ancient text. Like every other ancient text,...what we have are copies of the original which date to hundreds of years after their composition...For example, Julius Caesar chronicled his conquest of Gaul in his work On The Gallic War in the first century B.C. The earliest manuscript in existence dates to the 8th century AD.. So what are the oldest biblical texts discovered to date?
The Nash Papyrus...written in Hebrew and dating to the second century B.C. It was the oldest known biblical text prior to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls..It contains the 10 commandments from the book of Exodus, and the Shema Yisrael prayer
The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of over 900 manuscripts..including copies of every book of the Old Testament except for Nehemiah and Esther...The manuscripts date from the third century B.C. to the first century A.D., with some of the earliest, such as 4Q17 (4QExod-Levf), dating to the early Hellenistic era, approximately 250 B.C
The oldest biblical text is on the Hinnom Scrolls... rolled-up pieces of silver...they revealed the priestly Benediction from Num 6:24-26 reading, “May Yahweh bless you and keep you; May Yahweh cause his face to Shine upon you and grant you Peace...the oldest portion of Scripture ever found outside of the Bible...they provide evidence that the books of Moses were not written in the exilic or postexilic period
The 10th-century B.C. Khirbet Qeiyafa ostracon is similar to such Scriptures as Exodus 23:2, Psalm 72:4 and Isaiah 1:17..The Elephantine “Passover” Papyrus, dating to 419 B.C. almost certainly references the instructions for keeping the Feast of Unleavened Bread found in Ex. 12:15 - https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/02/06/the-three-oldest-biblical-texts/
All of the books of the New Testament were written within a lifetime of the death of Jesus of Nazareth. Not so the so-called “other gospels,” which were pseudepigraphical Gnostic works written 100-300 years later. To date we have over 5800 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, with an astounding 2.6 million pages of biblical text.
While some of these manuscripts are small and fragmentary, the average size of a New Testament manuscript is 450 pages.. No other ancient text can compare with the New Testament when it comes to the sheer volume of manuscripts, nor when we consider how close the earliest manuscripts are to the originals.
P90 (P. Oxy. 3523), is a small fragment dated paleographically to the second century A.D...with portions of the Gospel of John (18:36-19:7)..Papayrus P104 ...a second-century papyrus fragment that contains Matt. 21:34-37 on the front, and traces of verses 43 and 45 on the back.
Scholars date the writing of Matthew’s gospel to the late 50’s or early 60’s in the first century...John’s gospel is dated to the late first century,
Papyrus P98 (P. IFAO inv. 237b [+a]) is a manuscript fragment...a biblical text coming from Rev. 1:13-20...copied circa A.D. 100-200, likely in Egypt.about A.D. 185, Irenaus wrote that the book of revelation was composed, “almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian’s reign...A.D. 81-96,”
The earliest..manuscript is the Ryland Papyrus P52... dated it from A.D. 100-150...[or later 2nd. c.] and contains parts of seven lines from the John 18:31–33 on the front, and parts of seven lines from verses 37–38 on the back.
we can see that the text of the Bible was being copied and widely circulated already in the second century A.D.
there are another group of manuscripts...Papyrus P137...to A.D. 150-250...there are six other manuscripts that are also dated to the 2nd or 3rd centuries..This brings the total number of possible second-century New Testament manuscripts to 11. - https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/02/15/the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts/
Because its an apt association. Its a pagan thing to throw out what God himself inspired in scripture. If he gave us the OT it is just as important to clearly and contextually understand it. Which individuals just throw out for no apparent reason. BTW. You sure like to quote a ton of verses without offering at least an implied interpretation and argumentation from those verses. Its a wasted effort to merely cite scripture unless there is an interpretation which offers an argument towards a point or proposition. Its otherwise not useful to anyone. Even Jesus interpreted Scripture.
“Bigamy was discontinued in OT times.”
No, it wasn’t. These days it’s merely fashionable to have one legal relationship at a time but there’s no limit on how many legal relationships you have over time.
And it’s not entirely illegal to have adulterous relationships with mistresses (concubines) or a series of consensual one night stands.
Bigamy may have changed but it never went away.
The thing is that these days a man can have a wife and three mistresses and no one cares. But if he commits and calls all four women his wives then people lose their minds and call the police. The relationships don’t change here, just the words or labels we have for them.
This writer and others do not understand the distinction between and purposes of the two testaments. The OT was to bring man (all people, not just Jews), to the point of the NT, when the Old Law (only for Jews and proselytes, and an earthly kingdom) was to be put away (ended, no longer having any authority) and the New Law instituted (for everyone, with a spiritual kingdom). There is no conflict between the OT and NT--the loving spiritual NT is the fulfilment of and replacement for the unforgiving legalistic OT.
Jesus pointed out the difference between the OT and the NT, when he answered a question of which laws are the greatest (Matthew 22: 34-40). “Love God completely, and love your fellow man as yourself” was the (paraphrased) answer, because on those two basic principles “hang” (derive) all the Old Testament laws: Love God (have no other gods before me, rest on the Sabbath to remember God, for example) and Love Your Neighbor (do not commit murder, do not steal, do not covet your neighbors’ anything, for example). But now God commands men to worship and live, not by the letter of the law, not by Legalism, but “in spirit and truth,” that is, Spiritually, from the heart, from love for God, and not from blind obedience to rules and man’s tradition.
The legalistic specific 10 commandments and OT laws were replaced in the NT with spiritual, loving principles. “Don’t commit adultery” is now “don’t lust in your heart”, and “don’t commit murder” is now “don’t call your brother ‘fool’ .” Don’t tattoo your body is now “do not defile the temple of God” (abuse, hurt, etc. your body). No need to ceremoniously wash your hands before eating, because your entire life has been washed clean by the blood of Jesus. Don’t cut away your penile foreskin (circumcision) to show you are set apart for God, set your heart apart for God and show that by your life (be circumcised in the heart). There are no dietary or clothing proscriptions, but don’t eat anything that “offends” (compromises) your neighbors’ salvation, and dress modestly, so as not to draw attention to yourself or incite lust in others, for examples. There are no NT holy days, and the Sabbath does not have to be kept. In fact, the early NT church with the Apostles’ teaching and observances worshipped congregationally on the first day of the week, Sunday, rather than the Sabbath. Don’t tithe from your earnings, but give cheerfully, with forethought, and as you have prospered. And so on.
Understanding the OT helps us understand the nature of God and man and why God gave us his son for our ultimate sacrifice, but the OT has no authority whatsoever on us in terms of our being holy or justified. The OT is not how we gain, or lose, salvation. It is not how we must live daily. It is not the default rules for life. The study the OT, and it led us to Jesus and the NT, but it is the NT that we now must follow.
The OT is contrary to us, but the NT is the perfect law of liberty.
(I decided not to list all the many NT scriptures referenced in the above; Bible readers recognize them, and they’re easily searched out. This was to keep this response readable and shorter.)
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