Posted on 09/27/2022 6:27:33 PM PDT by marshmallow
Former president says material ‘offends all women and the creator who made them’
Former president Mary McAleese has called on Pope Francis to remove “awful material” from a Vatican website set up in 2016 which she said “offends all women and the creator who made them”.
The document, which blames all human ills on women, including the death of Jesus Christ, appears on the website of the Dicastery (Department) for the Laity, the Family and Life. It appears in English, French and Italian, but not in Spanish or Portuguese translations.
Written by Tertullian, one of the early church fathers who died almost 2,000 years ago in 230AD, it addresses women as “the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that [forbidden] tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert – that is, death – even the Son of God had to die.”
On September 6th, Mrs McAleese wrote to Pope Francis seeking “urgent clarification of offensive sexist material published by the Discastery for Laity, the Family and Life”.
Addressing Pope Francis directly, she said: “So here we are at the start of the implementation of your great curial reform and it absolutely beggars belief that the worst-ever offensive sexist material is published with unambiguous approval by the Dicastery for the Laity‚ Family and Life… a dicastery you charged with responsibility for women.”
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Eve could not be reached for comment.
Tertullian was correct.
The snake lied to Eve.
Eve fell for it.
Eve lied to Adam.
Adam fell for it.
Note that the snake went after Eve, not Adam. The snake knew what it was doing.
Adam eating the fruit triggered the fall. Eve could have eaten it all day and nothing did or would have happened. It was Adam who had dominion, not Eve. Adam should have rebuked her but ate it to please her.
Actually, Adam acted on his own conscience; the Bible says he was not tempted (1 Timothy 2:14) and yet sinned (Isaiah 43:27).
Seems to me that Adam ate the fruit to please himself.
Not ALL.
Most. But not all.
Adam was never tempted by the fruit or he would have eaten it before Eve.
Genesis 3:6 And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat.
I know what it says there. Adam’s the head of the family and should have behaved in a responsible manner, but instead he deliberately rebelled.
I’m not sure what to make of this but one thing I,a full blooded Irishman,can guarantee is that it basically impossible to find a real Christian in the Republic of Ireland. So this woman’s complaint is of very dubious legitimacy IMO.
I disagree. Adam knew he was the head and in control, meaning he had dominion. It was his “job” to rebuke Eve for disobeying God. He’d spent time alone until God created Eve for him. I believe he ate it to please her, not because he wanted it or was anti-God. Being anti-God is a sin and there was no sin until Adam ate the fruit.
This is more than revoking the 19th Amendment.
or alternatively, he could have rebuked the serpent for misquoting God. God did not say they could not “touch” the tree lest they would die... he said do NOT eat because it will kill you.
women were created a “weaker vessel” for the purpose of procreation. They are built such that they cannot do as much of some things strenuously whilst they bearing a child. Adam, doing his job correctly, would have stepped in to defend/protect Eve... Protecting her, would have caused him to be assessed as passing the test for both the male and female aspect of the one flesh couple at that point.
Eve was capable of being deceived. But Adam was NOT deceived and was IN the transgression... New testament says she WAS deceived... and points the finger of culpability directly at Adam. it is in ADAM that death from one passed to us all.
Adam being sinless, could have been a holy sacrifice in some manner... but we see that THE Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the earth. PRIOR to the fall.
my very vain consideration since biblically the predetermination of God about the Lamb being slain in prehistory, is true... did Adam know THAT fact before he brought death to our species?
Did he know that when Satan approached Eve and her husband WITH her... in the garden. Scripture does not say. if essential for mankind... God would have told us somehow... maybe Adam was privy to some of the counsel of God, and the fall was a known part of the plan that Adam a role to play. God clearly planned for it, in the Word made flesh... God, the Son. Jesus loved being called the Son of Man.
Totally vain speculation and musings on my part. Still, it has implications about how we assume that we do so many things by “choice”.
While Tertullian was correct, this is yet another example of a single document completely blown out of proportion by someone of very little faith.
Does the complainer have any understanding of The Church’s view on Mary, the Mother of God?
While through Eve (and subsequently Adam) death entered the world so it was through Mary (and her son Jesus) that Eternal Life was also granted.
It was God’s plan that even though death was born of a woman so too, life would also be born of a woman.
True, Christ is fully-God, but He is also fully-Man.
Did he?
Genesis 3:9 And the Lord God called Adam, and said to him: Where art thou?
10 And he said: I heard thy voice in paradise; and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.
11 And he said to him: And who hath told thee that thou wast naked, but that thou hast eaten of the tree whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat?
12 And Adam said: The woman, whom thou gavest me to be my companion, gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Was Adam lying when he said he ate it because the woman gave it to him? I don’t think so ... God didn’t call him on it, God immediately turned to question Eve. Adam wasn’t even thinking about eating the forbidden fruit, until Eve gave it to him. In fact, God explicitly condemned Adam for listening to Eve:
Genesis 3:17 And to Adam he said: Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat, cursed is the earth in thy work; with labour and toil shalt thou eat thereof all the days of thy life.
That doesn’t look like Adam acting purely on his own conscience. Quite the contrary, it looks like Adam failing to exercise his duty to teach, and instead listening to a bad teacher.
The context of your quote from 1 Timothy is of who should have teaching authority, and St. Paul explicitly assigns that authority to Man. The first time Woman attempted to exercise “teaching authority” over Man, it ended in disaster.
IMO.
YMMV.
IANTP.
This hateful shrew is a full-time anti-Christian activist. Her problem is with Christ, more so than with the Church. Her son Justin is a gay who is married to a man, which may have triggered her hatred for God and His laws.
Because of the way Scripture reads, I believe that Adam ate the fruit to please Eve. We know that Adam was lonely so God created her for him. I still think that he’d look at her and think “Va Va Voom!”
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