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—> here is only Abrahamic Faith, and that is Christianity—which is Catholicism

Total falsehood.


9 posted on 11/18/2022 4:02:21 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Something tells me you don’t even have any Rosary beads and you are Waaay behind on your Hail Marys. How you gonna get to Heaven that way?


13 posted on 11/18/2022 4:07:29 PM PST by BipolarBob (I was born into this world with nothing . . and I still have most of it .)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
here is only Abrahamic Faith, and that is Christianity—which is Catholicism
Total falsehood.

Indeed, but contrary to so much past papal teaching on submission, TradCaths interpret their Interpreter as being guilty of deviancy in doctrine, and reject aspects of V2 (and actually many of their charges of alteration seem correct). Thus they need not struggle to reconcile such teaching as,

"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham." (https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html) And John Paul II: "The Church has a high regard for them, convinced that their faith in the transcendent God contributes to building a new human family based on the highest aspirations of the human heart....Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: “We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection.” (https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/documents/catholic/johnpaulii/audience_na_catecheses.htm)

<We feel sure that as representatives of Islam, you join in our prayers to the Almighty, that he may grant all African believers the desire for pardon and reconciliation so often commended in the Gospels and in the Qur’an... We gladly recall also those confessors of the Muslim faith who were the first to suffer death, in the year 1848, for refusing to transgress the precepts of their religion.” — Paul VI, address to the Islamic communities of Uganda, August 1, 1969.
I deliberately address you as brothers: that is certainly what we are, because we are members of the same human family, whose efforts, whether people realize it or not, tend toward God and the truth that comes from him. But we are especially brothers in God, who created us and whom we are trying to reach, in our own ways, through faith, prayer and worship, through the keeping of his law and through submission to his designs...
Dear Muslims, my brothers: I would like to add that we Christians, just like you, seek the basis and model of mercy in God himself, the God to whom your Book gives the very beautiful name of al-Rahman, while the Bible calls him al-Rahum, the Merciful One.” - John Paul II, address to representatives of Muslims of the Philippines, February 20, 1981
As Christians and Muslims, we encounter one another in faith in the one God, our Creator and guide, our just and merciful judge. - John Paul II, address to representatives of the Muslims of Belgium, May 19, 1985
We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection...Both of us believe in one God, the only God, - John Paul II , address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985
Christians and Muslims, together with the followers of the Jewish religion, belong to what can be called ‘the tradition of Abraham.’..Our Creator and our final judge desires that we live together. Our God is a God of peace, who desires peace among those who live according to His commandments. Our God is the holy God who desires that those who call upon Him live in ways that are holy and upright. -John Paul II, address to Islamic leaders of Senegal, Dakar, February 22, 1992 -http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm

With past papal teaching as,

Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence: "The sacrosanct Roman Church...firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that..not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart into everlasting fire...unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that..no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (Seventeenth Ecumenical Council)

However, while Catholics attack Bible Christians for subjecting the veracity of church teaching to ancient church teaching, that of Scripture, they themselves subject the veracity of their modern church teaching to their judgment of what past RC teaching meant. Which also results in much division. Thus so much past papal teaching states:

'the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors," "to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff," "of submitting with docility to their judgment," with "no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed... not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ;" and 'not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority, " for "obedience must not limit itself to matters which touch the faith: its sphere is much more vast: it extends to all matters which the episcopal power embraces," and not set up "some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them," "Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent." (Sources http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3578348/posts?page=14#14)

29 posted on 11/18/2022 4:34:51 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Judaism is an Abrahamic faith. God made an unconditional covenant with Abraham. God cannot lie. The promises to Israel- land, seed and blessings by God will be fulfilled after the Tribulation and in the Millennial kingdom. The Church did not replace Israel. The church and Israel are not the same and have different programs. The promises to Israel have been postponed and will not come to fruition until National Israel repents, believes in Christ the Messiah and says “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord”


48 posted on 11/18/2022 7:22:38 PM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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