[Jonty30]

I think the proof is in the pudding. We are being disobedient, because there is no reason to be obedient.

[joesbucks]

It’s a Kobayashi Maru. In order to succeed, you must be self sufficient which causes lack of recognition to God which supposedly causes a fall from God.

My reply was based more on the premise of “when society is obedient to God, you make life easier for each subsequent generation until it is almost paradise”. For that, we have no evidence or proof.