Posted on 12/23/2023 8:36:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind
——>There is not one biblical word authorizing anyone to write a single word of the New Testament.
Nope.
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/written.htm
In an attempt to support Roman Catholic Tradition, and discredit Sola Scriptura, you may hear the claim made by Catholics that Jesus never told any of his disciples to write anything down, and clearly never wrote any of the scriptures Himself. For example...
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/firstday.htm
The Acts of the Apostles
Here in the second book attributed to Luke, written about 80 - 90 A.D., we now come to one of the most frequently quoted verses to support Sunday sacredness:
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Clearly the disciples are meeting on Sunday, the first day of the week. It might even be presumed by some that by “breaking bread” they celebrated the Lord’s supper that Sunday. The question that needs to be asked though, is why were the disciples assembled on this day? What reason brought them together? In context, it will be seen that Paul was departing the next day on his journey to Jerusalem to be present during the Pentecost festival (v. 16). This gathering was a farewell assembly with Paul, the last day the people at Troas could meet with him, and that is why it lasted into the early morning hours. In fact Paul talked with them all through the night and then left in the morning at sunrise (v. 11).
Did Paul preach? Yes, without doubt, as verse 7 makes clear. Does that indicate the day was special, a holy day? No, they preached every day:
Acts 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Did they celebrate the Lord’s supper? Perhaps, yet even if they did, as some maintain, there is no indication that that Sunday, or any Sunday, was being observed as a newly instituted weekly holy day to commemorate the resurrection. The breaking of bread did not indicate a special day of worship, or even that the Lord’s supper was being celebrated, as scripture tells us they met daily and broke bread from house to house:
Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat [food] with gladness and singleness of heart,
This indicates nothing more than eating what are called agape meals of fellowship, which are not necessarily connected with a formal worship service involving partaking in communion. Here is another example of breaking bread meaning a common meal:
Acts 27:33 And while the day was coming on, Paul besought them all to take meat [food], saying, This day is the fourteenth day that ye have tarried and continued fasting, having taken nothing.
Acts 27:34 Wherefore I pray you to take some meat [food]: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you.
Acts 27:35 And when he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat.
Now some will point to the celebration of Pentecost, found in Acts 2, and rightly claim that this occurred on a Sunday. Since that year the 16th of Nisan; the day of first fruits; which was a type of the resurrection; fell on Sunday, Pentecost would also fall on Sunday. However, those gathered in the upper room on that day were gathered because it was Pentecost, not because it was Sunday:
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Had they been gathered to observe the resurrection, wouldn’t Luke have told us that this was the new day of the week for all Christians to observe? But, you say, we do observe Pentecost always on a Sunday (Whitsunday). Perhaps you do, but not by anything directed in scripture. Pentecost, like Passover, is not tied to any particular week day. It is determined by the day of the month of the biblical lunar calendar, which means it does not always fall on Sunday. According to the scriptural calculation, Pentecost will most likely be on (or about) the 6th day of the third month, Sivan, which will only occasionally fall on the first day of the week. When the Catholic Church ruled in the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. that the resurrection (Easter) would always be observed on a Sunday (instead of the biblical 16 Nisan), this automatically resulted in Pentecost being observed only on a Sunday, but this change lacks any biblical support.
So, there is nothing in the book of Acts that leads us to believe that Sunday had been set aside as a weekly holy day of worship to honor the resurrection.
This pope has done more to discredit the holiness of the papacy than the church’s enemies could ever do.
“I will just say this, with brokenness, not with triumphalism: I don’t doubt your love for each other. I don’t doubt that part of you really wants to honor the Lord. “
Love has nothing to do with deviance. Deviance is extreme must continually be so. That’s why these people want to talk to children about sex.The author is a bit delusional.
What exactly do you think is the meaning of the ‘infallibility of the Pope’?
Infallibility is something the Pope himself must maintain. He must justify his pronouncements with the Gospel.
There was a bible (scripture) available to the believers very early on.
The Old Testament was available before Christ was born.
Paul's letters were considered Scripture prior to 67 AD.
The books of the NT were all written prior to the end of the 1st century.
The NT as we know it was generally in place by then. We can see in the writings of the Early Church Fathers the references to these books.
But, you are correct in there was no pope, no vatican, no marian dogmas, no mass....in other words, we don't see the Roman Catholic church in the early church.
Except....11saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.” Revelation 1:11 NASB 95
So there goes your pathetic argument.
There are plenty of examples of the writers of the NT appealing to the written word....if one reads the NT that is.
1Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, 3it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; 4so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught. Luke 1:1-4
If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. 2 Thess 3:14
If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored (1 Corinthians 14:37,38).
30Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31
13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13
There is not one biblical word authorizing anyone to recognize a single book of the New Testament as inspired Scripture, except for a vague assertion that (some? all? which one?) of the Pauline epistles are "like the other Scriptures".
Except...16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
A vague assertion that (some? all? which one?) of the Pauline epistles are "like the other Scriptures"
Really.....you want to deny what Scripture says by calling it a "vague" assertion??
14Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:14-16 NASB 95
https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-on-Sunday.html
——>Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship.
Sorry Dude, but you and “GotQuestions.org” are wrong. But, I guess I would naturally expect that, seeing as how you hate anything associated with God’s commandments, especially the 4th. Not a chance on this earth that any of the apostles would ever keep Sunday over a commandment of God. But you would.
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/firstday.htm
It is also clear from the book of Acts, that Paul kept only the Sabbath day in Corinth, and not Sunday:
Acts 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Acts 18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
That’s 72 Sabbaths that Paul preached in Corinth. There can be no question that Paul raised up a Sabbath keeping church in Corinth, a church that knew nothing of observing Sunday as a holy day. So, while many will point to 1 Corinthians 16:2 in the light of Tradition, and say that it refers to passing the collection plate during a Sunday service, in context, that is simply not indicated by the text.
Sorry, dude, but Paul would have had to go to the synagogues when the people met. He wasn’t endorsing the sabbath as being on Saturday.
——Paul would have had to go to the synagogues when the people met.
Yeah, I know, on the Sabbath, ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT, as was his custom.
——>He wasn’t endorsing the sabbath as being on Saturday.
He was keeping GOD’S COMMANDMENT.
You are in unbelievable denial. You are committing, AND TEACHING, lawlessness.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, NEITHER ON THE SABBATH DAY:
Note that Jesus was speaking to His disciples. There are two possible applications of the above text. The first is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by the armies of Rome. Note the parallel text in Luke to verse 15:
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
This verse makes clear that Jesus is warning His disciples of the impending destruction of Jerusalem, and that they should pray that they will not need to flee on the Sabbath. Why would that matter? Jesus as God intended the sabbath day to be one of rest and spiritual growth, not a day of panic; fleeing from a invading army of persecutors. Jesus is affirming here, that 40 years after His death on the cross, the Sabbath would still be observed by His disciples.
Many Christians today, while they might acknowledge an initial application of Matthew 24:15-20 to the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, will also maintain that this passage applies most fully to an event yet future. They believe that the antichrist will desecrate the temple at some future date, and that this will signal the nearness of the second coming. If one subscribes to this future timing, then Jesus is speaking of His disciples observing the Saturday seventh day Sabbath all the way into a time that is even now still in the future!
Not only was the Sabbath never rescinded, but scripture even makes clear that in the future, all of mankind (those who are saved) will observe the Sabbath when worshipping the Lord:
Isa 66:22 (KJV) For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Other problematic doctrines in Seventh-day Adventism include the teaching that Satan is the “scapegoat” and will bear believers’ sins (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485)—this is the opposite of what the Bible says about who bore our sins (1 Peter 2:24). Seventh-day Adventism also identifies Jesus as Michael the archangel (Jude 1:9, Clear Word Bible, published by Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1994)—a doctrine that denies the true nature of Christ—and teaches that Jesus entered a second phase of His redemptive work on October 22, 1844, as prophesied by Hiram Edson. And, of course, the Adventist promotion of Sabbath-keeping as a primary doctrine goes against the teaching of Scripture on the matter (see Romans 14:5).
Seventh-Day Adventism is a diverse movement, and not all SDA groups hold to all the doctrines mentioned above. But all Seventh-Day Adventists should seriously consider the following: a recognized prophetess in their church was a teacher of aberrant doctrine, and their church has its roots in the failed prophecies of William Miller.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Seventh-Day-Adventism.html
Nevertheless, as it took place on Saturday evening after sundown, this meeting did occur on the first day of the week, not the seventh, or Sabbath.
Yes, but it is the end of a long day of Sabbath keeping, not the beginning of activities of a new day. To them, they would have perceived what they did as the end of a long day, not the beginning of a new one. They didn’t signify a change by what is recorded in the Scriptures.
IMO, it does not mean that you can’t keep Sunday. I’m not going to get into that arguemnent, but it’s not relevant to me. By this I mean that every one of our short-comings and sins are paid for by the Christ. The Sabbath is an issue of Truth and all Truth can really wait until the coming of the Messia, the Christ.
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However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week, Sunday.
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In the bible version I have, No Pope Gregory Sunday is referenced..
Actually,no Pope Gregory days are referenced at all,including false goddess frigg day or Sun day..
In the bible version I have, the first work day would follow the New Moon Day to start the first week every month, then the first work day follows the 8th Day (7th Day Sabbath) to start the 2nd week of every month, then the first work day follows the 15th Day (7th Day Sabbath) to start the 3rd week of every month, and first work day follows the 22nd Day (7th Day Sabbath) to start the 4th week every month.
That pattern in the Bible is detailed in Ezekiel 46 with its
New Moon Day gate open
6 work days gate shut
7th Day Sabbath gate open.
First work days every month are His 2nd,9th,16th,23rd..
6th work days every month are His 7th,14th,21st, 28th.
Sabbath Days every month are His 8th,15th,22nd,29th.
Note Passover is on the 14th according to scripture, also the 6th work day of His 2nd work week..
When He died on Passover, he finished His Work on the 6th Day, and laid in the tomb, He rested on the 15th on the Sabbath, and raised the 3rd day, the 16th, the first day of the week.
And btw, that 16th day in His 2nd month, is the day the Manna from heaven began to fall. And fell for 6 days..
(16th-21th)
And didn’t show up on the 22nd, or the 7th Day Sabbath..
And btw, the 22nd Day is the Last and Great Day in His 7th month..
A Sabbath every month. And a High Sabbath in His 7th, just like the 15th Day is a Sabbath every month, and a High Sabbath in His 1st month...
It would appear the Pope/Papacy has indeed overruled God in terms of time and law..
And has Islam,Judaism and Christianity arguing over which of the Pope’s false days are real..
Tomorrow is holy to the Pope, btw, according to the bible and Creation, it’s a work day. The 12th day of His month, the 4th work day.. a day commemorating the Creation of the lights in the firmament ,the sun and moon.
Created on the same day, sun and moon.
The Pope says the sun and moon get their own days on his calendar..
Not sure religion is really ready for God to overrule the Pope
It amazes me that:
First: Protestantism listens so much to the secular media when they lie and bash the faith.
Two: Decide to ignore 2k years of church history and try to use the Bible as a word search.
Merry Christmas!
Oops, those words aren’t in the Bible!
You're saying ALL of church history should be accepted??
If you do you get this.
Canon 68 (Ut Iudaei discernantur a christianis in habitu or That Jews should be distinguished from Christians in their dress): Mandated a special dress code for Jews and Saracens to distinguish them from Christians so that no Christian shall come to marry them ignorant of who they are.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_the_Lateran
I cannot find where that has ever been overturned.
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And this:
"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff". Unam Sanctam
Roman Catholics usually run from this and come up with all kinds of excuses why it isn't applicable when confronted with it.
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And this:
All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. Urban II
A complete contradiction of Scripture. Urban II declared a Roman Catholic jihad.
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So yeah....Christians do use the Bible to evaluate all of church history. When this is done much of church history is found lacking as it is not inspired nor infallible.
Ezekiel 46:1
Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Day of the New Month(Moon) gate open
6 work days, gate shut
7th Day Sabbath,gate open
1+6+1=8
+6= 14, Passover
+1= 15, Unleavened Bread
2/3 of Paul’s first chief importance of the gospel,in accordance with the scriptures..
All from one smooth stone, or verse in His Word..
Add in the 16th Day, and one gets Paul’s entire first/chief importance of the gospel in accordance,not with religion, but with the scriptures.
I admit to use His Scripture as a weapon.
Against Satan’s lies and falsehoods closely held in religions like Islam,Judaism and modern Pope led Christianity.
It’s a sharp sword to the doctrines of demons that have been predicted in the bible with about 2,000 cubits away from the Ark and about 2,000 demon possessed swine within Satan’s legion (6,000) of years
That sword gored the closely held beliefs I had,too..
Merry Christmas
——>You’ve bigger problems to worry about as a SDA.
Dude, I know this for sure...the remnant/saints who will be in heaven all keep the commandments of God. Those who rebel against God’s law are rebelling against God, as the lawgiver. Those who hate God’s law and his holy 7th-day-Sabbath will not be in heaven. That is as clear a biblical message as it gets. You appear to hate God’s law, including His Sabbath.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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