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With the major assault upon the Roman Catholic Church by AmChurch (and their cohort in the liberal media) on the way getting ready to try to overwhelm the USCCB meeting in Dallas in June -- it is important for faithful Catholics to be informed ... and well-informed.
1 posted on 04/28/2002 12:35:48 AM PDT by history_matters
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Catholic bump

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2 posted on 04/28/2002 12:37:01 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Diago; patent; Askel5; Dr. Brian Kopp
From the Rev. Paul Shaughnessy's essay linked above:
Use your checkbook as a carrot and stick. Remember that when your pastoral associate flies to Rio during Mardi Gras, you're footing the bill. Don't be silent partners in corruption. When a scandal involving a priest hits the papers, first, cut out the pertinent news article; second, write a check for $100 to the Missionaries of Charity (Mother Teresa's nuns); third, when you receive a request for donations from the outfit in which the scandal occurred, enclose the article in the return envelope along with a photocopy of your check to the MCs and a note to this effect: "My previous contributions were intended for the support of my pastors and the propagation of the faith. From now on you can pay for your own K-Y jelly and your own AZT. I will resume my donations when you have cleaned the stables." They'll get the message. Just as important, when a bishop or religious superior shows some spine by a gutsy dismissal or intervention, send him a note telling him what you think, and include a check as well.

3 posted on 04/28/2002 12:48:28 AM PDT by history_matters
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A bump for Father Fessio!
4 posted on 04/28/2002 12:53:28 AM PDT by history_matters
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What THE BIBLE says about Homosexuality (click here)

THE LIVE WIRE: "SEX SCANDAL IN ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH DUE TO IGNORING SCRIPTURES" -Commentary by Gregory J. Rummo

5 posted on 04/28/2002 1:11:29 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: history_matters
All clergy people in every religion are tainted by this. All the files in question need to be turned over to the authorities so that the abusers can be investigated, and the good and decent people vindicated.
6 posted on 04/28/2002 3:35:43 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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Sunday morning -- p i n g
7 posted on 04/28/2002 4:16:57 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
Important post. Thank you!
8 posted on 04/28/2002 4:25:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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Well if all clergy married and unmarried in all denominations are beset by this problem it must say something about the emotional /psychological makeup of men who think they have the calling to spread the word or minister to the laity
11 posted on 04/28/2002 5:43:41 AM PDT by uncbob
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God bless Father Fessio. May he soon be elevated to the rank of Bishop to take over one of the troubled diocese run into the ground by malfeasance. I have a suspicion that a lot of cathedras will be vacant soon...
14 posted on 04/28/2002 7:37:30 AM PDT by Antoninus
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Thanks for the bump ... I appreciate the information!
15 posted on 04/28/2002 7:49:07 AM PDT by Gophack
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Oh! Yes! the media is already spouting the agenda for celebicity to end and marriage to begin...but! but! I always assumed that our clergy were untouchable, devoting their lives to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ...When the first apostles were chosen, some were married and forsook all in order to follow Christ and participate in His spreading of the Word. What pray tell do our modern day clergy have in mind.....Exactly, there has been an infiltration of men whose main desire is to destroy the one and only holy Catholic church, no if's and's or but's....To the faithful clergy I say remain steadfast and pray that we may be rid of this abomination...Peace to all.
20 posted on 04/28/2002 9:09:02 AM PDT by ejo
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Thank you for the ping.
21 posted on 04/28/2002 10:29:27 AM PDT by katnip
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The motivation for celibacy was the closer following of Jesus Christ, who required his apostles to leave wife and family, to become "eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom".
This is perhaps the only objective statement I can find in the piece, and even this shows a bias. It is certainly true that many of the early Christians practiced celibacy in imitation of Jesus, but to say that Jesus “required” his apostles to leave wife and family is a bit of a stretch. Here are the verses in question about becoming “eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom”:
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." (Mt19:8-12 (NIV); emphasis added.)

Although the apostles who were married were not “required” to leave their wives and children, however, there is evidence that they actually did so:
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Peter answered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?" Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first. (Mt19:23-30 (NIV); emphasis added.)

Moreover, even if one were to understand Jesus’ remarks in Mt19:8-12 to mean that celibacy was a requirement for apostleship, it’s clear from Paul’s writings that the apostles did not require their successors to be unmarried. (Cf 1Tim3:2, 1Tim3:12 and Tit1:6)

Remaining single for the sake of the kingdom is a wonderful spiritual gift, and Jesus urged those who received the gift – apostles and disciples alike -- to exercise it. There is nothing to suggest, however, that Jesus “required” his apostles to leave their wives and family or that the apostles required celibacy of their successors.

23 posted on 04/28/2002 10:40:38 AM PDT by eastsider
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I have a feeling that, although the libs will try to spin this all their way, they will eventually fail in this effort.
24 posted on 04/28/2002 11:28:40 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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Good post. I was under the impression these myths were true until Catholicguy told me about one of the books in a previous thread. Keep spreading the word!
26 posted on 04/28/2002 12:23:55 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: history_matters
getting ready to try to overwhelm the USCCB meeting in Dallas in June -- it is important for faithful Catholics to be informed ... and well-informed.

Agree wholeheartedly.

32 posted on 04/28/2002 4:37:39 PM PDT by Salvation
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the problem here is that there are sodomite priests. these are all cases of sodomy against young boys, and the way to deal with this is to make sure that no sodomites are allowed into the priesthood. right now, the priesthood is seen as a great option by many sodomites because they are not allowed to be married, so people dont look at it as strange that they are not married. allowing priests to marry would alleviate this problem. paul said that he wishes everybody could be called to celibacy, however not everybody is, and not all priests are called to celibacy. therefore, Rome should not force this on people, considering that God did say that it is good to marry, and that bishops should be married.
42 posted on 04/28/2002 6:49:56 PM PDT by pro-life
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