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Catholic Caucus - Michael Brown's Appeal to Cardinals and Bishops
Spirit Daily ^ | 5/1/02 | Michael Brown

Posted on 05/01/2002 6:24:00 AM PDT by history_matters

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To: american colleen
I can't think of anything else to say about that picture.

In an age of Faith, Catholics build Sacre Couer, Chartes, Notre Dame, St. Denis.

In a post-Christian age, Catholics build Mahony's Cathedral. Art is just our Faith expressed in stone.

61 posted on 05/01/2002 12:34:14 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Art = Architecture
62 posted on 05/01/2002 12:35:41 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Art is just our Faith expressed in stone.

Mahoney's Monstrosity is nihilism expressed in poured concrete. My desire for the juducious application of thermonuclear weapons is my rejection of nihilism written in advanced physics.

AB

63 posted on 05/01/2002 12:36:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
Liberated woman

Amasing the sort of reaction Mahony's Catherdal draws - especially from Catholics.

Now, read the reaction that Sacre Couer draws - even from a "liberated woman."

64 posted on 05/01/2002 12:44:03 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Good luck if you can see Notre Dame without scaffolding! Sacre Couer Cathedral is prettier and right in the centre of the city, I'm not a Catholic but felt impelled to light a candle and say a prayer.

Somehow, I can't imagine anyone ever saying anything like that about Mahoney's Monstrosity.

AB

65 posted on 05/01/2002 12:51:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Domestic Church; All
Check this one out. The cathedral in Mostar Yugoslavia.

Post Modernistic Moonscape Cathedral

66 posted on 05/01/2002 12:52:42 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
Can you provide the precise latitude and longitude of that ... thing?
67 posted on 05/01/2002 12:56:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: tiki
A liturgist is an affliction

Yeah, just like a boil on your butt.

68 posted on 05/01/2002 12:58:15 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ArrogantBustard
Afraid that one's off the radar screen. lol.
69 posted on 05/01/2002 1:00:09 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska; Catholicguy
The nuke thing is a joke, of course, but with a grain of truth behind it. Many 'modern-architecture' church buildings, of which Mahoney's Monstrosity is a prime example, are too aggressively ugly and too structurally wrongheaded to be salvageable. They are auditoriums, or theatres; places for entertainment, not for worship. The only thing to do is demolish them and start over from bare earth.

AB

70 posted on 05/01/2002 1:12:15 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Aliska
The Mostar Cathedral has a vague oblique reference to a basilica in shapes...that's more Catholic than this thing in LA,lol!
71 posted on 05/01/2002 1:26:40 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: NYer
'altar breads that "appear to the senses as bread"'

What's wrong with the plain ol' communion wafer we all know and love? The church I was baptized in uses a "more breadlike" host these days and I nearly choked to death on it the first time I took it.

72 posted on 05/01/2002 1:28:00 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
What's wrong with the plain ol' communion wafer we all know and love?

But ... what would you be 'thinking' as you received such a Host?

Now ask yourself 'what would I be thinking when I received 'altar breads that "appear to the senses as bread"'?

Then consider one 'reason' given for removing statues and images in the sanctuary: that they confuse or distract the faithful from the actions at the altar.

Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is ...
73 posted on 05/01/2002 1:44:35 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Aliska
I don't know which church is worse, the one in Mostar or Mahony's Memorial in LA.

Mostar is the diocese that Medjugorje is in, I think? Curious about your (anyone's) take on those apparitions... I almost visited there about 15 years ago, but something held me back. I'm really on the fence about Medjugorje... yet, I know people who have gone and swear something is going on (as in they believe in it).

74 posted on 05/01/2002 2:11:51 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Mostar is the diocese that Medjugorje is in, I think? Curious about your (anyone's) take on those apparitions... I almost visited there about 15 years ago, but something held me back. I'm really on the fence about Medjugorje... yet, I know people who have gone and swear something is going on (as in they believe in it).

Yes, that is the diocese. I did believe in the apparitions but something got to working on me and then I came across E. Michael Jones Fidelity Magazine (I miss that - no longer published). The story goes that Jones got so much negative mail concerning his take on Medjugorje that his magazine almost went under so he changed it to "Culture Ware". That's where I came to conclude that something was wrong there. I wrote to the bishop there and they sent me a package of documents.

I put the documents on the web. Since then I've met lots of other people who are upset about what is going on there re the alleged apparitions. People do come away from there with different experiences. You will have to decide for yourself. I've not been there myself but have met people who swear by it. You can read what they sent me hereMedjugorje Is All that Glitters Gold? Right now I'm rereading Jones' book "The Medjugorje Deception, Queen of Peace, Ethnic Cleansing, Ruined Lives". It's a real eye-opener. Jones is a very orthodox faithful novus ordo catholic.

From the link I posted above, you can scroll down and get to a link for Culture Wars if you are interested.

75 posted on 05/01/2002 2:30:28 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: american colleen
Apropos this discussion, it looks like Jones is prophetic lol. He wrote a book about modern architecture:

Living Machines: Bauhaus Architecture as Sexual Ideology - E. Michael Jones - 1995 - "Following up his best selling books Degenerate Moderns and Dionysos Rising, E. Michael Jones completes the trilogy as he reveals in this book how modern architecture arose out of the disordered lives of its creators, who catered to the new needs of the modern man as a sexual nomad, who would have no need for home or family, no need to be rooted in a particular time or place or family or soil or culture. Jones' book, Living Machines is an explanation of where that vision came from, where it led, and why it ultimately failed." $11.95 + $4 S&H, Paperback.

76 posted on 05/01/2002 2:34:40 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: ArrogantBustard
Most modern architecture makes me feel alienated. It's cold and sterile IMO. Once in awhile you see something modern that is somewhat pleasing to the eye; for the most part, it lacks artistic expression and individual craftsmanship. Most of it looks like it rolled off an assembly line in outer space.
77 posted on 05/01/2002 2:43:32 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Domestic Church
It does have the pillars in front, but the rest of it looks like it was fabricated from steel silos lol.

Maybe it will grow on me. I never cared much for modern art.

78 posted on 05/01/2002 2:47:39 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
cold and sterile

Yes, and barren.
79 posted on 05/01/2002 2:54:37 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Aliska
How weird is it that I asked you? Now, I only asked you because you mentioned Mostar in your post and it rang a bell with me - I can't believe it, but I've read your web pages before, and in fact, have them bookmarked! Man, you never know.

I've heard many favorable stories regarding Medjugorje over the years, but something negative always niggled at me, for no reason I can figure out. I had a deposit on a package plan to Yugoslavia around 1987 or so, but just got cold feet - still not sure why. My own mother went, but she is a religious zealot, so I discount her stories.

About a year ago (and I think it was while I was in lurk mode on FR) someone mentioned in passing that Medjugorje was bogus, in their opinion. My curiousity was piqued again, and I did a "google" search and the best info site was yours... thank you!

80 posted on 05/01/2002 3:11:42 PM PDT by american colleen
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