Posted on 05/07/2002 4:57:29 PM PDT by restornu
Your want to say what 'words' mean, yet call your OWN documents to be absolutely above reproach! Well, they are not!
Hollering and screeching will NOT enhance your argument; only rational looking at the data will.
KJV 1 Corinthians 15:50
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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Now this is real What you have question from the scriptures we can have a cordial discussion.
KJV Matthew 16:17
17. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
....To my understanding he receive this by the Spirit of the Lord this is where we are suppose to get witness to those things of the Lord.
KJV 1 Corinthians 15:50
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Luke 24 ( Not a body of flesh and blood but of flesh and bone, after the resurrection of the Jesus.)
36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and frighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
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In light of these, does the FATHER have a fleshly body?
The Father has a body of Flesh and Bone.
This verse is directly OPPOSITE of your claim:
'The FATHER has a fleshy body.'
Rest that is a Jehovah witness site ....another apostate branch of the vine ...that will be lopped off and burned
ANSWER....To my understanding he receive this by the Spirit of the Lord this is where we are suppose to get witness to those things of the Lord.
John 14 (Because Simon Barjona kept the Lords commandments he was able to receive the knowledge from the Spirit of the Lord-)
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(This is the Holy Ghost another comforter) 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee,
This has nothing to do with the description of God, it means he didn't learn it from man. Flesh and Blood has to do with temporal body(what we have now).
Flesh and Bone has to do with Spirit body. (What the Heavenly Father and Jesus has, and we will received if we are worthy.
Clarification I mean to say "resurrected body" instead of "Spirit body"?
Flesh and Bone has to do with "resurrected body". (What the Heavenly Father and Jesus has, and we will received if we are worthy.
The Holy Ghost is a Spirit and has not a body.
What makes a city great? A center of culture and refinement in the midst of the wild frontier? The largest city for hundreds of miles? A well-planned, well-laid out, well-governed city of 20,000? In 1838, Nauvoo was the village of Commerce, Illinois, an unhealthy, mosquito-infested swamp where no one wanted to live. The state of Illinois allowed the Latter-Day Saints to seek refuge there. They had just been illegally and unjustly persecuted, murdered, plundered, and driven out of Missouri under an extermination order in defiance of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights. They drained the swamp and transformed the area in ten short years into a model city, when illegal and unjust mob violence drove them out again, and they journeyed a thousand miles across the plains to build new cities, and new Temples, at incredible suffering and sacrifice, rather than raise their hand against their enemies.
What makes a city the greatest in the world? The divinely-appointed gathering place for scattered Israel, the covenant people of God? The headquarters of the restored Church of Jesus Christ, led by true prophets and apostles of Jesus Christ, called of God? The one place in the whole world, in the 1840s, where the divinely-appointed House of the LORD, the Holy Temple, stood, in full operation? If this is indeed a prophecy of Joseph Smith's, need we look to the future for fulfilment?
I looked it up. Fulfillment has 3 l's.
Who can argue with this?
If it TRUELY the HG, then WHY did Jesus say 'I' will come to you? (more evidence of trinity?)
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If they are going to get 'another' Comforter, then they must already have at least ONE Comforter. If it TRUELY the HG, then WHY did Jesus say 'I' will come to you? (more evidence of trinity?)
You are right there are two comforters one of the Father and one of the Son when Jesus leaves the earth with a resurrected body.(So in Matt 16:17 it was the Holy Ghost of the Heavenly Father that, Simon Barjona received witness.After Jesus was resurrested we recieved another comforter HG.
Acts 1
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
(two angels) 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is btaken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey.
John 14
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
(Here Jesus is talking about his Father will [OUR] (the spirits the wills, can be one accord. There still are two personages The Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ are two personages the Holy Ghost is a Spirit, there always was 3 personages)
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.(the message he is giving us is from his Father in Heaven)
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I ago unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (Jesus Father is greater than Jesus there are two personages).
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
(Jesus is of the Father in Heaven and the prince of the world is not of the Godhead Father, Son and Holy Ghost).
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me acommandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
There are two Comforters spoken of. One is the Holy Ghost, the same as given on the day of Pentecost, and that all Saints receive after faith, repentance, and baptism. This first Comforter or Holy Ghost ... [is] ... powerful in expanding the mind, enlightening the understanding, and storing the intellect with present knowledge ...The other Comforter spoken of is a subject of great interest, and perhaps understood by few of this generation. After a person has faith in Christ, repents of his sins, and is baptized for the remission of his sins and receives the Holy Ghost, (by the laying on of hands), which is the first Comforter, then let him continue to humble himself before God, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, and living by every word of God, and the Lord will soon say unto him, Son, thou shalt be exalted. When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints, as is recorded in the testimony of St. John, in the 14th chapter, from the 12th to the 27th verses.
Note the 16, 17, 18, 21, 23 verses:
"16. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
"17. Even the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
"18. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. * * *
"21. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me should be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
"23. If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."Now what is this other Comforter? It is no more nor less that the Lord Jesus Christ Himself; and this is the sum and substance of the whole matter; that when any man obtains this last Comforter, he will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend him, or appear unto him from time to time, and even He will manifest the Father unto him, and they will take up their abode with him, and the visions of the heavens will be opened unto him, and the Lord will teach him face to face, and he may have a perfect knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of God; and this is the state and place the ancient Saints arrived at when they had such glorious visions—Isaiah, Ezekiel, John upon the Isle of Patmos, St. Paul in the three heavens, and all the Saints who held communion with the general assembly and Church of the First Born.
(Joseph Smith, in the History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Vol 3, pp 380-381)
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