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First World War battlefield in Verdun still a danger
ITV REPORT ^ | 7 August 2018 at 5:50pm | ITV News Europe Editor James Mates

Posted on 08/07/2018 4:43:59 PM PDT by robowombat

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To: virgil

There were multiple small towns and villages (around a dozen) that were wiped off the face of the earth in the Germans’ opening bombardment. One postwar account was of seeing a sign, nailed to either a post or a shattered tree trunk and surrounded by desolation, with the simple message, in French, “Here was Fleury”...one of the obliterated villages.


61 posted on 08/07/2018 8:46:52 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: PAR35

Hadn’t thought about that. Good point. It was an incredible wet, soupy mess. The most horrid possible “living” conditions.


62 posted on 08/07/2018 11:56:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: virgil

And the longer it lays there the more unstable it becomes. In another ten or twenty years from now all of this stuff will eventually degrade and decay to the point of it no longer being dangerous. Still, until that time the stuff is still a hazard.


63 posted on 08/08/2018 12:10:12 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: plain talk

LOl! Yeah, right?


64 posted on 08/08/2018 12:11:27 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: yarddog

He certainly had no compunction when it came to America lives. I’ve known a number of WW2 vets who hated that man.


65 posted on 08/08/2018 12:17:07 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Reily
The French Army mutinied twice in WW1. In 1915 and 1917. My grandfather was an America veteran of WW1. He hated them.
66 posted on 08/08/2018 12:19:41 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: PAR35

And where exactly in WW2 did America use mustard gas?


67 posted on 08/08/2018 12:21:10 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: M1903A1
Yes, you're right. I saw an article about that. I believe there are faint traces of where houses once stood and here and there some paving stones of a front walk way, the remnat of a fence and such. Sad. And eerie.
68 posted on 08/08/2018 12:27:33 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa; PAR35

Only thing remotely close I can think of was the aftermath of the air raid on Bari in ww2 where the liberty ship SS John Harvey had mustard gas munitions onboard, and got sunk.
The results were pretty bad.
Made worse by bureaucratic tape and the cargo being “secret” at the time.
We’d shipped over the mustard gas “just in case” the third reich decided to use poison gas
Ultimately we didn’t need it.
But at the time command was worried about it.


69 posted on 08/08/2018 1:20:58 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Cold Heart

The do have metal detectors on drones now. Although I imagine the forested areas will be more difficult.


70 posted on 08/08/2018 1:39:59 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: packrat35

Far more dead than you mentioned:

The Soviet Union:
WWII Combat deaths: 26,400,000 - Sokolov (source)
WWII Civilian deaths: 24,000,000 - Korol (source)


71 posted on 08/08/2018 1:49:38 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Darksheare
Yes. I'm familiar with that story. My grandfather was a WW1 vet. He served in a unit that shot poison gas. Awful stuff. He was gassed three times. Twice by his unit's own stuff when they were ordered to release it and the wind shifted. Once by German stuff. He had to have a part of one of his lungs removed. “Mustard gas’’ was actually chlorine made into a gaseous form. If you ever want to know how it got it's name , open up a bottle of Chlorine Bleach and holding downward(obviously) peer carefully into the bottle and you'll see that the liquid has a fairly noticeable greenish brown ''mustard'' color to it. The only reason why poison gas was never used on the battlefield in WW2 was because once you release it into the open air there's really no way to guarantee which way it will go.
72 posted on 08/08/2018 2:12:01 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa

Nasty stuff all around.
My great grandfather lost a relative to mustard gas.
Only, it took three months to kill him.
Great grandpa hated Germans from that point on.
Banned the family from speaking it as well.
I don’t blame him.


73 posted on 08/08/2018 2:23:29 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: robowombat
The Great War
74 posted on 08/08/2018 3:04:25 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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To: packrat35

Those numbers were the reason Stalin annexed all the countries behind the Iron curtain. His thought was quite simple.

Never again will we allow Mother Russia to be attacked from the west. The annexed territories were a buffer zone to kill the enemy before they ever reached the Russian border


75 posted on 08/08/2018 4:34:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks!


76 posted on 08/08/2018 4:40:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: marktwain

Genetically, Europe has still not recovered. Pacifist Europe lacks the will to resist the Islamic invasion.

A black Islamic Europe will be a direct threat to an America with sympathetic black ruled cities


77 posted on 08/08/2018 4:44:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: jmacusa

Read WWI history!


78 posted on 08/08/2018 6:43:56 AM PDT by Reily
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To: jmacusa
You'd mutiny too if your superiors continuous solution to attacking machine gun laden fortified positions was a bayonet charge!

Read “Myths of the Great War”:

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Great-War-Military-History/dp/0060084332/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1533736287&sr=8-6&keywords=myths+of+ww1

From my memory of reading the book, in combat effectiveness the author ranks the participants

1. Germans - No surprise! In most cases continued to show tactical superiority up until the end. Best in training, leadership (from nocom to junior officer to senior officer!) & equipment. Also superb use of artillery in defense and offense.

2. French - A surprise! Good nocoms, junior to midlevel officers started off horrible but learned! Senior officers & equipment bad to average. For the most part ineffective artillery, tactically they used the famous French 75, way too light and often out ranged by the Germans.

3. UK-Empire - Excellent training, excellent equipment, excellent nocoms. All squandered by incompetent leadership (at almost all levels!) who seemed incapable of learning.

4. Russians & Austro-Hungarians - Bad Bad Bad!

5. Italians - Don't remember his evaluation on them but go read about the 12 battles along the Ilonzo River. Courage was there even if skill & ability wasn't!

The US according to the author ended up at least as good as the French often better but not in league with the Germans, for the most part good equipment & leadership. Not in the war long enough for a full evaluation. Also note the AEF was trained for trench warfare by the French, French infantry doctrines remained the basis of US Infantry doctrine until WWII.

Also these relationships are not linear, for example the Russian & A-H'ers are way way worse then the British. The gap between the British and the French is less then the gap between the Germans & the French.

The Germans lost WWI strategically & logistically not due to bad soldiering. The French probably haven't had good political and military leadership since Napoleon!

79 posted on 08/08/2018 7:40:05 AM PDT by Reily
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To: jmacusa
“Mustard gas’’ was actually chlorine made into a gaseous form

No, "Mustard gas" is not chlorine. Chlorine is chlorine (one of the chemical elements), and the Germans did use it as a poison gas in WWI. "Sulfur Mustard" and "Nitrogen Mustard" are organic compounds containing chlorine and sulfur or nitrogen in their molecular structure in place of the usual carbon.

Sulfur Mustard molecular structure:

Nitrogen Mustard:


80 posted on 08/08/2018 8:00:07 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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