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Ghost Fleet 'Shows Pisa Was An Ancient Venice'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-22-2003 | Bruce Johnson

Posted on 11/21/2003 6:44:54 PM PST by blam

Ghost fleet 'shows Pisa was an ancient Venice'

By Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Filed: 22/11/2003)

The chance discovery of a Roman "ghost fleet" buried in mud just outside Pisa has led experts to conclude that the city was built on a lagoon much like an early Venice.

Archaeologists believe that traces of a community dating back to a pre-Roman era, a sort of "Etruscan Venice", may lie beneath the ships.

The end of the lagoon civilisation may also offer clues to the fate of modern Venice - the waterways were silted up by violent floods over a long period.

"The situation in Venice is not just similar to that of Pisa, but is practically identical," said Prof Stefano Bruni of the University of Ferrara.

The find first came to light five years ago when a bulldozer involved in work to build railway offices beside the San Rossore station on the outskirts of Pisa came across an ancient wooden ship 30ft below ground. A large archaeological dig which was started under Prof Bruni's direction later found four ships dating from various Roman periods.

The number of vessels, which were found in remarkable condition, rose to six, then nine, and finally 21, including what experts believe may be a Roman warship. They date from 200BC-AD500.

The ships will soon be housed in a new museum in Pisa's old shipyards, Giuliano Urbani, Italy's culture minister, announced last week. "It will not just be a building," he said. "It will also be a kind of historical space which will develop in tandem with the stages of recovery and restoration of the ships."

The extraordinary finds have produced much new data about Roman shipbuilding techniques, cargoes, classical trade and naval life. Some of the ships were adapted for river and sea navigation.

Various archaeological teams are analysing material found, including navigational instruments, human remains, wicker baskets, clothing, oil lamps and scraps of leather. But equally important, the experts say, the discovery has caused the entire geography of the area, and its relationship with the rest of the Mediterranean, to be redefined.

Prof Angelo Bottini, the archeological superintendent for Tuscany, said the digs had not brought to light the existence of a mere port separated from the sea. Rather, they showed there had been a "network of river and maritime landing places, in which the sea and the rivers were in dialogue".

This network included lagoon islands and wetlands where freshwater combined with salt water. "To compare Pisa and Venice is therefore not rash," he said, "even if we must exercise caution." The discovery of the ships had also confirmed claims by ancient sources that before Pisa was a Roman city it had been Etruscan and Hellenic.

The extraordinary state of preservation of the ships was due to what Prof Bottini called the "traumatic sequence" of floods over the centuries after the 5th century AD. "It deposited sand in such a violent way that it didn't have time to oxidise the wood," he said. But while this had preserved the ships, it also meant that the wood, when exposed to the air, had to be re-hydrated to stop it falling apart. The procedure was incredibly slow.

Once the ships were discovered, experts were able to establish that there had been a lagoon system, thanks to investigative work of the terrain earlier to protect the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Prof Bruni said: "By re-examining aerial night photos taken at the time with special thermal film, we realised that the River Auser [one of Pisa's two rivers] had completely changed its course.

"We used the data to help reconstruct the landscape as it would have been in Etruscan times, and found that then there was a situation similar to Venice. Now Pisa is 10km [about six miles] from the sea. Then, it was 3.5km, and was a delta."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancient; archaeology; etruscans; fleet; ggg; ghost; godsgravesglyphs; history; pisa; romanempire; romans; venice
"They date from 200BC-AD500."

I have a worldwide event recorded in the tree rings at 207BC.

1 posted on 11/21/2003 6:44:56 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
My parents were married in Pisa. Mother lived and schooled in Lucca, born in Milan.
2 posted on 11/21/2003 6:47:14 PM PST by mlmr (The Naked and the Fred)
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; Alas Babylon!; Andyman; annyokie; bd476; BiffWondercat; ...
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3 posted on 11/21/2003 6:52:49 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
Blam, you post some of the coolest educational threads! My boys and I found this fascinating. Thanks much.
4 posted on 11/21/2003 7:12:32 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (Happily repopulating the midwest since 1991!)
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Thanks for these articles. Ff.
5 posted on 11/22/2003 5:20:17 AM PST by Ff--150 (The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich)
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To: blam
Here's a link to an Italian site that features some picture galleries via the links on the left hand side of the page.

Il Cantiere Archeologico

6 posted on 11/22/2003 5:53:58 AM PST by csvset
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Excellent, thanks.
7 posted on 11/22/2003 9:25:24 AM PST by blam
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"My parents were married in Pisa. Mother lived and schooled in Lucca, born in Milan."

Neat! One of my most favorite places in the world is a little northwest at San Remo.

8 posted on 11/22/2003 9:27:35 AM PST by blam
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It is a beautiful area. I am trying to track down the boarding school my mother attended in Lucca between the wars. You have beautiful dogs.
9 posted on 11/22/2003 3:07:27 PM PST by mlmr (The Naked and the Fred)
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ping
10 posted on 11/22/2003 5:25:44 PM PST by Prof Engineer (My Labrador can lick your honor student anytime, and they'll both enjoy it.)
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BTTT
11 posted on 02/06/2004 4:47:06 PM PST by carpio
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Just bumping the topic. It's already been on the list.
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12 posted on 08/21/2004 9:53:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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November bump.


13 posted on 11/10/2004 4:44:10 PM PST by blam
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interesting!


14 posted on 11/11/2004 2:32:45 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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15 posted on 12/24/2006 12:39:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I updated my profile Saturday, December 23, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Pisa has always looked strangely flat to me. And then the Bell Tower keeling over like the ground isn't as solid as it ought to be. This article makes sense.


16 posted on 12/24/2006 12:42:01 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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The Leaning Tower Of Pisa

17 posted on 12/24/2006 3:36:58 PM PST by blam
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Leaning Tower Of Pizza

18 posted on 12/24/2006 3:39:18 PM PST by blam
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Ruskin says that is the ugliest piece of architecture in the city if not in all Italy, and not because it is leaning. If you know Ruskin's work you know why.


19 posted on 12/24/2006 4:15:54 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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Etruscan Engineering and Agricultural Achievements: The Ancient City of Spina
The Mysterious Etruscans | Last modified on Tue, 17-Aug-2004 15:36:27 GMT | editors
Posted on 08/17/2004 12:05:30 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1193229/posts


20 posted on 05/11/2007 6:17:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 10, 2007.)
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