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1 posted on 06/06/2004 5:14:21 AM PDT by dennisw
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2 posted on 06/06/2004 5:35:14 AM PDT by I-spy-guy (Won't someone please vote me off this island?)
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bflr


3 posted on 06/06/2004 6:07:20 AM PDT by fishtank
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"As for race relations, Britain has long been acting like Florence Nightingale: selfless, dedicated, bandaging every wound, but ignorant about the genesis and gestation of gangrene."

The truth of the matter.


4 posted on 06/06/2004 6:12:01 AM PDT by ABrit
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5 posted on 06/06/2004 6:27:40 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: dennisw; Huber
Not one mullah--not one--raised a voice in support of the principle of freedom of creativity; no mullah ventured the opinion that the fatwa [calling for the death of Salman Rushdie] was wrong or against Islamic teaching.

An excellent discussion point.

6 posted on 06/06/2004 6:29:45 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Keep your kids safe; keep W in the White House.)
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What Islam needs is a reformation, and if this very concept is forbidden in the unchangeable word of the Quran, there is enough Islamic history to support a reforming and radical interpretation of the law of living with others. There have been movements in Islamic history that are by no means inimical to peace, tolerance, and even to democratic and liberal principles.

Give me one example besides the heavily armed camp of Turkey to maintain a secular government where this is/was the case.

True, passages in the Quran urge believers to "kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them" and to wage war on neighboring infidels. But a hundred suras of the Quran also enjoin the faithful to tolerance: one specifically says that killing one innocent person is akin to the murder of the whole world.

First, define innocent person in the Quran. Does this include "non-believers"? Based on actions to date, I think not.

As for the officials of America and Britain, they need to redirect the effort and money that they have poured into race relations and multiculturalism into a clear, reasoned, energetic defense of the values of freedom and democracy. Their future depends on it.

Agreed, and we need to fight for these ideals not only externally, but internally as well, against the very muslim movement he discusses.

It's not our job nor our charter as a nation to reform a religion, except by attrition at the point of a bayonet if that religion either overtly or covertly (or both) attempts to overthrow our way of life.

7 posted on 06/06/2004 6:42:08 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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After spending considerable time pointing out the abuses inspired by his religion, bemoaning it's backwardness and admitting that all those problems are directly attributable to followers "going by the book", the writer clings to the unrealistic hope that an Islamic Martin Luther-style reformist will arise to somehow reconcile a tradition of intolerance with civilized modern reasoning.

I suspect in his heart he knows better and is using this article as a fishing expedition. If that's the case I'm afraid all he's going to catch is a visit from Abu "Cpt. Hook" Hamza's fanatics when he least expects it.


8 posted on 06/06/2004 6:58:59 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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Good article.

".........After the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Hamza was wheeled out again, together with the poisonous Omar Bakri Muhammad, who had been expelled from his native Syria and is funded by missionary money originating in Saudi Arabia.........."

11 posted on 06/06/2004 7:24:53 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Good find Dennis..


13 posted on 06/06/2004 7:42:05 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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It is the presence of Muslims that is the problem, not terrorists. It is the genocidal colonialism (literally genocidal, that is its attraction and goal) being waged by the self-loathing leftist elite against their own people that is the threat, not a "fifth column" of potential terrorists. A few buildings blown up, even a crude nuclear device going off, won't destroy the nation (didn't destroy Japan, did it?), allowing a flood of foreigners will. The end result of the immigration policies of the Western elite will be the destruction of Western civilization and the individual cultures, peoples, and nations within it, forever. The end effect will be the same as the Nazi plans for Poland, no matter how well-intentioned and "compassionate" you may think these policies are.

Muslim Terrorists in the West swim in the sea of Arab and North African immigrants. But it isn't only Muslims that provide them cover, it is all the multiculti denizens of the modern West, all the Farrukh Dhondys. During WW2 Nazi agents found it almost impossible to operate in Britain because no matter how fluent they were in English and regardless of whether they had spent some time living and working in Britain in the past, they just couldn't blend in. There was always something a little "foreign" about them that caused suspicion. In (non)nations like those of the new multicultural West, where everyone in the world is a Briton or American who just hasn't arrived yet, there is no such thing as foreign anymore.

the Rushdie affair, which uncovered a multicultural fifth column, whose literary criticism entailed book burning and death threats.

The only country in the West that has free speech, virtually the only one in the world, is the United States (and even in the U.S. there is constant pressure to criminalize speech and effective non-governmental methods of suppressing it as well). The British government also bans and burns books. It threatens their authors with, not death, but jail, as in the recent case of the journalist Kilroy-Silk. Fundementalist fatwas are not confined to Muslims.

15 posted on 06/06/2004 9:21:39 AM PDT by jordan8
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