To: valkyrieanne
Arabs won't leave Islam because it's their root, Arabs = Islam, this won't happen in Iraq.
Iranians will because their root is Zoroastrianism, Persian root = Zoroastrianism.
8 posted on
09/05/2004 8:31:49 PM PDT by
freedom44
To: freedom44
Arabs won't leave Islam because it's their root, Arabs = IslamPersians are not overly fond of Arabs and deep down they don't fit well with the Arab religion. I suspect there will be a return to nationalism and ethnic pride that will make them leave Islam en masse -- except for a few more Arabic types. Maybe they can't go back to Zoroasterianism but there's always Christianity or there could be a reformed Zoroasterianism which does allow converts or returnees. It seems like a number of Iranians are Bahis. Right after 9-11 it seemed every Persian I saw had on some kind Bahi t-shirt --- I think to make sure everyone knew they weren't Arabs or Muslims.
14 posted on
09/05/2004 8:56:26 PM PDT by
FITZ
To: freedom44
Arabs won't leave Islam because it's their root, Arabs = Islam, this won't happen in Iraq.
Well, two points:
- Most of those who call themselves "Arabs" aren't really, hsitorically Arabic, they've just been Arabicized (as is happening in the Sudan NOW). Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis etc. are NOT Arabs. They just want to potray themselves as such because inIslam, despite protests to the contrary, Arabs are the master race and those claiming descent from Mohound are Quaraish, superior folk, fit to be kings
- Secondly, Arab <> Islam --> The Arabs from the Arabian peninsula had pagan religions before Islamand were also influenced by Arianism (a Christian heresy), and that is reflected inIslam. The Yemenis used to be part of the Ethiopian Christian Empire.
What we need to do is to encourage the Pheonicians, Egyptians, Syrians etc. to stopthinking of themselves as Arabs and Muslimes and cutlivate a sense of nationalism (I see that happening in Iran and yes, even in Syria (which, lest anyone forget, is a secular state where Christians are treated on par with everyone else -- 10% of Syria IS christian)) sot hat they eventually throw off the yoke.
This would take time, to speed up the process nuke Meccca...
107 posted on
09/11/2004 7:03:49 AM PDT by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: freedom44
Iranians will because their root is Zoroastrianism, Persian root = Zoroastrianism.
Well, not completely. Zarathustra's teachings are based on the Indo-European religion practised by the Irani peoples.
The ancient Iranis practised a religion related to early hinduism, but with a significant difference.
While the Indians worshipped the family of supernaturals called the Devas and reduced the other 'family' of supernaturals, called the Ahuras to the status of demons, the opposite happened in Iran
In Iran, the Ahuras (Iranic languages pronounce hte Indian 's' as 'h', so that's how the Sindhu people of the Indus valley were called Hindus by the Persians), were given primary importance while daevas were relegated to the status of household gods.
Zarathustra took ONE Ahura -- Ahura Mazda, the God of light and stated that worship was due to him alone.
so, Persians = Aryanic religion. But that's oversimplification, by that 'standard' all of us should be animists.
108 posted on
09/11/2004 7:08:41 AM PDT by
Cronos
(W2K4)
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