[Georgesque]

Your Ph.D. friends . . good for them, and good for you. You must have given a very convincing argument. I still want to know why more people who were born in this country didn't get their sorry selves off the couch to vote - regardless of who they voted for.

No, no, you misunderstood. The people on "We're NOT sorry" have every right to post what they did, and I disagree with the "We're sorry" or whatever it was (as it seems to be deceased or desisted or something of the sort) in taking the liberty of saying that they're sorry for the people who voted for Bush. That's BS. Nobody should be sorry in who they voted for.

My POINT was (and is) that conservatives don't have the right to claim the term "Real American." I think anyone who cares about this country has the right to the term "Real American." And, according to the Constitution, anyone born in the country or who has become a naturalized citizen has the right to the term "Real American."

Finally, you know where the Founding Fathers were in 1868? Pushing up daisies -- every last one of them.
But I did look up Amendment 14, Section 3, and it was ratified after the civil war to ensure that individuals who had held office prior to the war (but sided with the south during the war) would be ineligible to become politico or military leaders post-war, so I'm missing your point there.

[fuzzy122]

"...so I'm missing your point there."

My point regarding Article 14 of the Constitution is that under section 3 of "Rights of Citizenship" it states...

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

And in so stating, clearly implies that those, like Kerry, who swore an oath to "support the Constitution of the United States" and then by word and deed gave aid to this country's enemies no longer enjoy the full "Rights of Citizenship".

As to the "we're sorry" jerks, I'm sorry but when someone states:

"Some of us — hopefully most of us — are trying to understand and appreciate the effect our recent election will have on you, the citizens of the rest of the world. As our so-called leaders redouble their efforts to screw you over, please remember that some of us — hopefully most of us — are truly, truly sorry. And we'll say we're sorry, even on the behalf of the ones who aren't."

They are clearly NOT engaging in a debate of ideas with their fellow citizens. They are explicitly directing these anti-American views to "...the citizens of the rest of the world." And to which world inhabitants are they directing these thoughts? Our allies? Or our enemies?

Ask yourself - what would Australia's responce to this kind of diatribe be? Then ask what would Al Jazeera do with this? Or France?

Yes - under our Constitution an ordinary citizen loses no standing, but are they a "REAL AMERICAN" - not in my book!

And as an American - I am entitled to edit "my book" as I see fit - just as you are.

Stay Strong,
Fuzzy122