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PRESERVED T. Rex Soft Tissue RECOVERED (Pic)
Star Tribune ^ | 03.24.05 | Randolph Schmid

Posted on 03/24/2005 12:04:54 PM PST by wallcrawlr

WASHINGTON — For more than a century, the study of dinosaurs has been limited to fossilized bones. Now, researchers have recovered 70-million-year-old soft tissue, including what may be blood vessels and cells, from a Tyrannosaurus rex.

If scientists can isolate proteins from the material, they may be able to learn new details of how dinosaurs lived, said lead researcher Mary Higby Schweitzer of North Carolina State University.

"We're doing a lot of stuff in the lab right now that looks promising,'' she said in a telephone interview. But, she said, she does not know yet if scientists will be able to isolate dinosaur DNA from the materials.

The soft tissues were recovered from the thighbone of a T. rex, known as MOR 1125, that was found in a sandstone formation in Montana. The dinosaur was about 18 years old when it died.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; creation; dinosaur; dna; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; maryschweitzer; paleontotology; trex; tyrannosaurus
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To: ACDSWIZ
The problem with too many is that they lack the patience and timelessness that a supreme being would have.

The problem with not reading the bible a lot is that you don't get to know God. Reading it shows you that He has no need what so ever to "tinker" with His creation. He already knows every electron's orbit and every cause and effect. He has a whole different purpose than to experiment. Also, it simply can not be denied that it takes more for God to create the uninverse quickly than slowly. It is simply more glorifying for Himself to do it in 7 days than over a period of billions of years. Then there is the whole big issue with His Word, it's inspiration, and His not lying. That pretty much demands a 6000 year old universe. Knowing that one then starts to "have a problem" with people who reject that.

381 posted on 03/25/2005 11:45:01 AM PST by biblewonk (I would'nt want to live like that.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Let's say the Emperor Tiberius, a near-contemporary.

*sigh* That's just silly.

But let the record stand, the guy who thinks believing Genesis when it says people once had much longer life spans, albeit probably in very, very different circumstances from how we live today, means you don't have "a lick of sense," yet he also thinks it's significant that Jesus has "very little" record (I'm assuming from contemporaries) compared to a Roman Emperor.

382 posted on 03/25/2005 12:04:01 PM PST by MitchellC
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To: MitchellC
But let the record stand, the guy who thinks believing Genesis when it says people once had much longer life spans, albeit probably in very, very different circumstances from how we live today, means you don't have "a lick of sense," yet he also thinks it's significant that Jesus has "very little" record (I'm assuming from contemporaries) compared to a Roman Emperor.

That's right. Remember the Gospels were written down from an oral religious tradition well after the fact. There are two brief and ambiguous mentions of Jesus outside the Christian tradition. In contrast, the reign of Tiberius was well described by Tacitus, Suetonius, Josephus and Velleius Paterculus, and mentioned by Pliny the Elder, Philo, Seneca and others. We also have contemporary statues and buildings.

I don't dispute that Jesus was probably a historical figure. I dispute many of the details, including all of the supernatural ones.

383 posted on 03/25/2005 12:30:29 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Elsie

There are a lot of critters living in desert areas. Most desert areas have water holes and the occasional oasis.


384 posted on 03/25/2005 12:38:28 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: biblewonk

Listen. You believe what you like. Stop concerning yourself with what others believe. There are millions of fanatic Muslims who are just as sure they are right as you are. At one time it was heresy to believe that the Earth was not the center of everything. You need to have more faith in God and less in a book written by fallible men sometimes way after the fact and passed down by word of mouth for generations. We all know how accurate records like that are. Start a rumor and see if you recognize it after twenty people have retold it.


385 posted on 03/25/2005 12:40:57 PM PST by ACDSWIZ
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To: nmh

I would guess that the meaning of the article was miquoted. More likely the soft tissues also fossilized but the surrounding mineral deposits remained loose and it was possible to remove the now fossilized soft tissue without destroying them.


386 posted on 03/25/2005 12:45:36 PM PST by ACDSWIZ
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To: Right Wing Professor
Remember the Gospels were written down from an oral religious tradition well after the fact.

You ought to look deeper into that. There are now (and have been for quite a while, to my understanding) very strong arguments out there for at least three of the Gospels having been written before 70AD, well within the lifetimes of Jesus' contemporaries, and before the temple was destroyed. That, of course, means that mentions of that event in these gospels - if they were completed basically as we have them now, which has also seen strong arguments in its favor - were prophetic.

I hope you don't shy away from looking into this. Here is a link, from the same site I linked earlier, to an essay you might find interesting.

387 posted on 03/25/2005 2:45:23 PM PST by MitchellC
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To: oremites
Also, since there was no aging or death in the Garden of Eden, how long was Adam there before he ate the fruit and was thrown out. An hour? A week? A year? 100 years? 10,000 years? 1,000,000 years?

The Holy Spirit never neglects details for the inquiring mind! Notice the specificity of the language.

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

This dispels the "Adamic Man" idea in one fell verse. It is hard to be that specific with a Myth.

388 posted on 03/25/2005 3:05:05 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: oremites

Come over to what the world regards as the Dark Side. You will never again have to explain away a passage in the Bible. Oh sure, the will call you a literal buffoon, but it doesn't hurt to bad. We still take the passages in context, which means it is not always meant to be literal.


389 posted on 03/25/2005 3:08:25 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: MitchellC
There are now (and have been for quite a while, to my understanding) very strong arguments out there for at least three of the Gospels having been written before 70AD, well within the lifetimes of Jesus' contemporaries, and before the temple was destroyed.

The serious scholarship I've seen does not agree. I read quickly through the link you posted; it doesn't really confront, for example, the fact that the author of Mark does not appear to be familiar with the basic geography of the Holy Land, and is therefore not likely to be an eyewitness or have lived there.

390 posted on 03/25/2005 3:19:10 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Send up reinforcements; we're going to advance)
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To: oremites
Adam's third son, was born after Cain slew Abel. We can surmise that Cain and Abel were between 15 and 50 years old.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

We can speculate that Adam was between 80 to 110 when Eve had Cain and Abel. So we could fairly accurately say that Adam didn't live beyond 100 years in the Garden of Eden.
391 posted on 03/25/2005 3:20:55 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
With all of the money to be made, it seems impossible that clones of famous deceased will not be produced.

With any kind of luck we will have Armageddon long before that happens. :^]

392 posted on 03/25/2005 3:25:24 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Elsie
Gee whiz, I got banned for a few hours when one of the DU Dummies misread what I'd posted.

Now, concerning the Torah, I checked and it didn't have your comments in it.

393 posted on 03/25/2005 3:40:12 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: nmh
Today's Washington Times had a brief article on page 1 about the dinosaur bones.

Intriguingly, although dinosaur bones are pretty rare as fossils go, they have already found THREE MORE SAMPLES of soft tissue in dinosaur bones.

It looks to be a rather common, ordinary process!

394 posted on 03/25/2005 4:43:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bondserv
It is hard to be that specific with a Myth.

Utter crap. Study a few conmen. Specificity always adds credibility.

395 posted on 03/25/2005 6:04:12 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: bondserv
We can speculate ...

Why even bother?

396 posted on 03/25/2005 6:06:13 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
The essay didn't intend to deal with every skeptical claim. A very brief search finds at least one article that deals with a few alleged geographical errors from Mark.

The website is large and full of counter-objections, so most anything remotely serious you can think of is likely already dealt with there. And if it isn't, I'm sure he'd like to hear from you.

397 posted on 03/25/2005 6:37:09 PM PST by MitchellC
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To: MitchellC
And if it isn't, I'm sure he'd like to hear from you.

He's arguing against 200 years of biblical scholarship. I doubt some chemist from Nebraska's going to make a difference.

398 posted on 03/25/2005 7:20:08 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Send up reinforcements; we're going to advance)
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To: bondserv
We can speculate that Adam was between 80 to 110 when Eve had Cain and Abel.

And you still think Adam was the Dad?

For he's got no falloorum, di doorum, di doorum dah
Got no faloorum, di doorum, di day
Got no faloorum, and he's lost his di doorum dah
Maid, when you're young, never wed an old man.

399 posted on 03/25/2005 7:25:49 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (God bless you, Luke Kelly!)
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To: wallcrawlr
That was 70 million year old T-Rex??? Burp...Not Bad!

Pray for W and Our Troops

400 posted on 03/25/2005 7:31:45 PM PST by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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