20 Arrested, 171 Vehicles Impounded At Checkpoint

AP ^ | 10-24-05 | (AP) POMONA, Calif

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AP) POMONA, Calif. Pomona police arrested 20 people, impounded 171 vehicles and issued 194 citations during a sobriety and license check operation that wrapped up early this morning.

[vrwc0915]

You position is clear

"Should be no big deal, unless you are hiding something while traveling public highways."

I vehemently disagree with you, but you do have the right to your opinion

[sheik yerbouty]

Old land line phones were sometimes turned into bugs. I would imagine that they are already doing it with cell phones...

[ZOTnot]

Hope you're right. You and I are probably marked targets already for having this exchange of ideas...

Good luck.

[A CA Guy]

Ditto

[Arizona Carolyn]

Not a suprise.

[A CA Guy]

Driving is a privilege by the rules of the local road and is not a right.

If you have private land like a ranch you could drive with far less restriction. You can be ten and maybe drive.

[A CA Guy]

It's very rare that anyone has a birthright to anything at all, but driving doesn't come close to that in our country.

The highway patrol's job is to check out what people are doing on the roads and having spot checks randomly that picks on no particular person. It is just a method of verifying compliance on public roads. They only do that on public roads, they won't do that on private roads. If it were happening on your private road there would be an issue.

[american_ranger]

I gave my son a response that a lawyer put on FreeRepublic years ago. Something about telling a policeman that he did not have permission to search his vehicle but that if the policeman did search the vehicle that he would not resist.

Right after a bunch of his friends were intimidated into allowing their vehicle to be searched, he was stopped by the same cop. He had the balls to tell the cop that he was not giving permission but that if a search was done that he would not interfere in any way. The cop tried the "nothing to hide" routine when he told the cop that he was only following his father's instruction.

Cop did not search and let him leave. Must have thought that the father was a lawyer.

[vrwc0915]

If a law enforcement officer of any kind ask permission to search he does not have RS or PC to search, If there is PC or RS then they don't ask the just search!

Most LEO's will call your bluff if you deny consent to search, many will say well we will just hold you until we can get a K-9, ect at that point if things are still calm ask to speak to a Sgt. or supervisor and call their bluff 9/10 you will be waved through

[calrighty]

"Politicians in California want a Soviet Union with sunshine.."


And we GOT it!!

[calrighty]

"I rarely book sufficient time for intermittent totalitarianism."

I agree! Anyway, it's hard to book time for intermittent totalitarianism. You don't know if you'll get a Lenin, a Stalin, or a Hillary.

[vrwc0915]

The secret police's job is to check out what people are doing and having spot checks randomly that picks on no particular person. It is just a method of verifying compliance in public buildings They only do that on public buildings, they won't do that on private roads. If it were happening on your private road there would be an issue.

You may chose to give up your liberty, you may not make that choice for others!

[A CA Guy]

Your sounding way out there. It's the highway patrol and random spot checks on public roads for compliance has been used to help keep the highways safe for decades. You kind of just need to get over this.

I think it is good that people are made to be licensed with current driving skills, made to have safe compliant cars and to carry insurance.

[elkfersupper]

You can be ten and maybe drive.

I was driving an 80,000 lb. grain truck (loaded) when I was 9 years old.

I'm thinking that this obsession of yours to enslave us all and make us subject to random searches and seizures is rooted in fear, anger, frustration, or a desire for vengeance.

Which is it?

[A CA Guy]

Sure, you could on your parents farm at the age of 9 drive an 80,000lb grain truck.
In my last trip to Hawaii I had a ten year old kid drive one of his fathers cars around the farm to show it to me.
I know another family whose kids had to also drive around the age of 9 because they lived in California on a 3000 acre farm.
Nor problem with those situations at all.

It's a different story on public streets. They public streets are NOT your private roads and as a condition of being allowed to drive on those roads you may be subject once or twice in your life to highway patrol stops to check your compliance with the rules of the road.

You have no problem with being required to have a license, insurance and a compliant operational car, do you?

[elkfersupper]

You have no problem with being required to have a license, insurance and a compliant operational car, do you?

Yes I do, and so should you.

And there are no more "public" streets or roads, as I explained in a previous post.

I drove the grain truck 50 miles one way on "public" roads, by the way. Several times a day, as many trips as I could make in a day (night also).

Scary, huh?

[A CA Guy]

You have no problem with being required to have a license, insurance and a compliant operational car, do you?

Yes I do, and so should you.

If you were in the sticks long ago, I'm sure all kinds of things were possible. But in today's world if we practiced what you are preaching we'd be closer to anarchist than conservative folks it seems. We need to be rashional and responsible. Just doing anything in the name of freedom can be dangerous IMO.

[elkfersupper]

We need to be rashional and responsible.

You forgot "for the children".

The first laws written covered murder, manslaughter, robbery, kidnapping, then reckless endangerment. That should have been enough.

Thank you and yours very much for seatbelt laws and random roadblock fishing expeditions.

Enjoy your gulag. The rest of us don't.

[A CA Guy]

You have a rare and extreme view, but you are welcome to it.

[elkfersupper]

Thank you. This country's founders were rare and extreme also.