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Senate Debates 'Costs' of Illegal Immigration (Debate increasing immigration levels)
News Max ^ | Oct. 31, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 10/31/2005 8:10:11 AM PST by Ben Mugged

The U.S. Senate is set to debate provisions that would significantly increase legal immigration levels.

The provision - part of its deficit-reduction budget reconciliation plan - comes just one week after Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist announced the Senate would not debate immigration reform until early next year.

The controversial measure would "re-capture” 90,000 unused employment-based immigration visas and exempt family members from counting toward the cap. The net result is an estimated additional 150,000 permanent legal immigrants per year, a 15 percent increase from the current level of one million legal immigrants annually.

~smip~Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) - a vocal opponent of illegal immigration and proponent of tighter border security - promises to vote against the bill if it includes the immigration provision. Tancredo thinks it is inappropriate to consider immigration policy in a budget bill. "We should never be doing immigration policy inside this kind of bill,” Tancredo told the Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; immigrantlist; immigration
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We need a debate on this issue but not in a spending bill.
1 posted on 10/31/2005 8:10:12 AM PST by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

Agreed. I'm not against increasing legal immigration (while cracking down HARD on illegal immigration) but trying to stealth this provision in is bad. It should be debated in its own bill on its own merits.

}:-)4


2 posted on 10/31/2005 8:14:56 AM PST by Moose4 (Liberals and vampires: Both like death, both hate crosses, and both are bloodsuckers.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Yes, the financial costs are important but there is principle here and practical non-cost considerations..


Fairness to legal aliens who are displaced by illegals - who wants to raise legal immigration when we are overwhelmed with illegals? Safe, secure borders. These things go beyond the dollar cost. Of course the dollar cost is important too.


3 posted on 10/31/2005 8:14:58 AM PST by gondramB
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To: Ben Mugged

We ALL been mugged : )


4 posted on 10/31/2005 8:14:59 AM PST by calrighty (Taglines for sale or let......1 liners 50 cents! C'mon troops, finish em off!!)
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To: Ben Mugged

Tancredo and Rice in 2008.


5 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:19 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Ben Mugged

That's just great. Is there any other issue where politicians are so bold in defying, and even spitting on, public opinion? Well actually, I take back part of that, because its not as if the proponents are being upfront and honest about this. If they are so sure of the rightness of the position, then they should propose stand-alone legislation that increases legal immigration, and be completely open and honest about it.

Poll after poll shows that the vast majority of Americans oppose increases in legal immigration. Maybe that's why they aren't so open about it.


6 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:25 AM PST by Aetius
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To: Aetius

I simply despise all the guttersnipes in the senate and congress. Politics as usual.


7 posted on 10/31/2005 8:33:10 AM PST by sheana
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8 posted on 10/31/2005 9:25:31 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: sheana
I simply despise all the guttersnipes in the senate and congress. Politics as usual.

You are being WAY too kind to the traitorous beestards currently in the Senate and Congress.

9 posted on 10/31/2005 9:32:28 AM PST by Iron Matron
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gubamyster
would you please add your ping list to this post.

Thank you


http://www.gopsenators.com/survey/immigration.aspx

http://www.gopsenators.com/


10 posted on 10/31/2005 9:40:54 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date on the oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic!)
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To: Ben Mugged

11 posted on 10/31/2005 9:42:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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The U.S. Senate is set to debate provisions that would significantly increase legal immigration levels.

The Senate is just getting started. They are determined to immigrate the country into the ground and they are succeeding.

12 posted on 10/31/2005 10:33:26 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The Senate is just getting started. They are determined to immigrate the country into the ground and they are succeeding.

The Senate should be tried for treason, as they have sold out to foreign interests. They are traitors, along with the leaders who advocate illegal immigration. The politicians have gone wild and need to be removed from office.

13 posted on 11/01/2005 7:04:06 AM PST by swampfox98 (How American became a nation of traitors: Greed, corrupt politicians and religious leaders.)
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The politicians have gone wild and need to be removed from office.

It wouldn't be too soon enough for me...

14 posted on 11/01/2005 10:03:26 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

The ultra-liberal San Francisco Chronicle is doing a poll about the Minutemen. Are they a.) patriotic citizens, or b.) violent vigalantes? You can add your two-cents at http://www.sfgate.com


16 posted on 12/06/2005 5:47:54 PM PST by Ace Backwords
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46% think they're dangerous vigilantes?? That poll needs a little help from the patriotic law enforcers side...


17 posted on 12/06/2005 6:05:26 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Yes it does. I hope everyone checks in on that poll. It will be running for 4 more days. The Chronicle did another Minutemen poll about 6 months ago, and according to that poll, 70% of their readers supported the Minutemen. So its suspicious that the support has dropped so drastically. Not that I would accuse a liberal of slanting the information, heh heh. . . Maybe they're just gonna keep running polls until they finally get the numbers they want.


18 posted on 12/06/2005 7:51:39 PM PST by Ace Backwords
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To: Ace Backwords

Still 49% to 46%. Must be not enough illegals made it to the library to get it over the top. :)


19 posted on 12/07/2005 8:11:35 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

The Minutemen poll will keep running for two more days. Go to "News and Features" on the left of the screen, and you'll see "Polls." http://www.sfgate.com


20 posted on 12/08/2005 9:43:39 PM PST by Ace Backwords
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