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Neanderthal 'face' found in Loire
BBC News ^ | 2 December, 2003 | Jonathan Amos

Posted on 03/28/2006 5:27:57 PM PST by Virginia-American

A bone splinter forms the eyes

A flint object with a striking likeness to a human face may be one of the best examples of art by Neanderthal man ever found, the journal Antiquity reports.

The "mask", which is dated to be about 35,000 years old, was recovered on the banks of the Loire in France.

It is about 10 cm tall and wide and has a bone splinter rammed through a hole, making the rock look as if it has eyes.

Commentators say the object shows the Neanderthals were more sophisticated than their caveman image suggests.

"It should finally nail the lie that Neanderthals had no art," Paul Bahn, the British rock art expert, told BBC News Online. "It is an enormously important object."

Nose and cheeks

It is described in Antiquity by Jean-Claude Marquet, curator of the Museum of Prehistory of Grand-Pressigny, and Michel Lorblanchet, a director of research in the French National Centre of Scientific Research, Roc des Monges, at Saint-Sozy.

The mask was found during an excavation of old river sediments in front of a Palaeolithic cave encampment at La Roche-Cotard.

Tool and bone discoveries suggest Neanderthals used the location to light a fire and prepare food.

Triangular in shape, the object shows clear evidence, the researchers say, of having been worked - flakes have been chipped off the block to make it more face-like.

The 7.5-cm-long bone has also been wedged in position purposely by flint fragments.

Marquet and Lorblanchet write in Antiquity: "We think that this is indeed a 'proto-figurine'; that is, a small flint block whose natural shape evokes a crudely triangular human face - or a mask if one notes that it is primarily the upper part of the face that is concerned, like a carnival mask, or, rather less clearly, an animal face, perhaps a feline?

"It was not only picked up and brought into the habitation, but was also modified in various ways to perfect its resemblance to a face: the forehead, the eyes underlined by the bone splinter, the nose stopped at its extremity by an intentional flake-removal, and the rectified cheeks."

They are convinced this object is no accident of geology. Jean-Claude Marquet told BBC News Online: "The sliver of bone was pushed in forcibly and wedged with two pebbles.

"Chance could not have inserted the stones in between the bone and the block in such a balanced way, with the two ends coming out equally either side."

Over and over

The standard view of Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) is that they lacked the thought processes capable of producing art - certainly to any real level of sophistication produced by modern humans (Homo sapiens).

Clive Gamble, an expert from Southampton University on the early occupation of Europe by human species, says science has been reluctant to see Neanderthals as great conceptual thinkers.

"The great problem with all the Neanderthal art is that they are one-offs. What is different about the art of modern humans when it appears 35,000 years ago is that there is repetition - animal sculptures and paintings done over and over again in a recognisable style.

"With Neanderthals, there may have been the odd da Vinci-like genius, but their talents died with them."

Bahn, on the other hand, believes the Roche-Cotard mask should set the record straight on Neanderthals' artistic capabilities.

"There are now a great many Neanderthal art objects. They have been found for decades and always they are dismissed as the exception that proves the rule.

"This is not just a fortuitous bone shoved into a hole in a rock. Whether the Neanderthal artist saw a rock that looked like a face and modified it, or conceived the thing from the start - who knows? Either way it is pretty sophisticated."

And Marquet added: "This object shows that art was not born in the brain of Homo sapiens but much earlier in the brains of predecessors like the Neanderthal man and even, no doubt, in Homo erectus.

"Neanderthal man was not a coarse character incapable of elaborate mental thought. Here, he has used a rock with a particular natural form to make a face emerge from its shape."

Abstract thought

Perhaps the oldest example of modern human art generally accepted by the scientific community would be the 77,000-year-old engraved ochre pieces found in the Blombos Cave in South Africa.

There are claims for even older items, dating back 200,000 years or more, that comprise mainly rock objects apparently sculpted to look like the human form.

But many sceptical researchers believe these objects are merely accidents of geological processes, and doubt they have been intentionally modified in any way by a human hand.

However, earlier this year, scientists announced the discovery of the oldest Homo sapiens skulls. These 160,000-year-old fossil bones had been polished after death.

This mortuary practice suggests at least these early people were abstract thinkers, capable of analysing ideas of life and death.

The Herto skulls were polished after death


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: art; artifact; godsgravesglyphs; neanderthal
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This article is over two years old, but I'm sure I've never seen the "mask" before.
1 posted on 03/28/2006 5:27:57 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: blam; SunkenCiv; PatrickHenry

((( ping )))


2 posted on 03/28/2006 5:29:16 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American

Looks more like a cat than anything I could think of easily. You sure cats aren't capable of artwork?


3 posted on 03/28/2006 5:31:26 PM PST by tomzz
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To: Virginia-American

I think it's a stretch to determine that the thing should be considered an example of neanderthal artwork. It may have been worked by neanderthal hands but it may be nothing more than a chance result.


4 posted on 03/28/2006 5:33:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: tomzz

One of the researchers said "...rather less clearly, an animal face, perhaps a feline?"


5 posted on 03/28/2006 5:34:46 PM PST by Virginia-American
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placemarker
6 posted on 03/28/2006 5:37:44 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Virginia-American

We are Neanderthals.


7 posted on 03/28/2006 5:45:05 PM PST by blam
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To: Virginia-American
And the "Old Man of the Mountain"

was really the prototype for Mt. Rushmore.

ML/NJ

8 posted on 03/28/2006 5:45:35 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Virginia-American
Who will be the first creationist to gripe about the inference of design?
9 posted on 03/28/2006 5:47:37 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Virginia-American
This one's too easy. See the similarities:


10 posted on 03/28/2006 5:48:27 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Virginia-American

11 posted on 03/28/2006 5:49:10 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Virginia-American

An example of modern Neanderthal art

12 posted on 03/28/2006 5:54:12 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Fingerpainting is fun for everyone))))
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To: Virginia-American
Obviously a Ceremonial Object. </ARCHAEOLOGICAL/ANTHROPOLOGICAL INSIDE JOKE>
13 posted on 03/28/2006 5:56:04 PM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Virginia-American

Let's see, chance can form something as complicated as the human eye, but not cause a bone splinter to be wedged in a block of flint, that takes a designer. Interesting how scientist can use certain things in different ways to prove a point.


14 posted on 03/28/2006 5:58:16 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
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To: Physicist
Who will be the first creationist to gripe about the inference of design?

Well I am not a creationists(or IDer) but I did point out the hypocrisy of saying the bone splinter was wedged by a creator and chance couldn't have done it, while at the same time saying something as impossible as an eye forming by chance did happen. Just another day in the life of Darwinism. Let me repeat, I am not a creationist, or IDer, and I an NOT a Christian or any other type of religious person. I do however think Darwinists are full of Sh** on most of the theory and evidence shown to date. Thanks for listenting.

15 posted on 03/28/2006 6:03:05 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
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Let's see, chance can form something as complicated as the human eye...

It can?

16 posted on 03/28/2006 6:08:17 PM PST by Virginia-American
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" Well I am not a creationists(or IDer)"

RIIiiight.

"while at the same time saying something as impossible as an eye forming by chance did happen."

They is not impossible. Why would you says such a silly thing?

"Just another day in the life of Darwinism."

Sure, you're not a creationist/ID'er...

" Let me repeat, I am not a creationist, or IDer, and I an NOT a Christian or any other type of religious person."

SURE yer not. :)

" I do however think Darwinists are full of Sh** on most of the theory and evidence shown to date."

But you're not a creationist/ID'er... lol

"Thanks for listenting(sic)."

And thanks for the laughs! :)
17 posted on 03/28/2006 6:09:01 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: calex59
We've seen plenty of bones and pieces of wood and rock wedged together by people. Also, remember that there is evidence of the rock being deliberately flaked.

We've never seen an eye designed or made in any manner; they just grow.

18 posted on 03/28/2006 6:12:29 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"They is not impossible."

That should have read, "The eye is not impossible."


19 posted on 03/28/2006 6:16:13 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Virginia-American; Junior
Most interesting. But I think this is a blam thread rather than one for my ping list.
20 posted on 03/28/2006 6:20:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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