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Darwin and God: can they co-exist? [A Muslim scientist checks in]
The Guardian (UK) ^
| July 3, 2006
| by Inayat Bunglawala
Posted on 07/04/2006 9:58:54 AM PDT by aculeus
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posted on
07/04/2006 9:58:59 AM PDT
by
aculeus
To: aculeus
There are a lot of Muslims at my university passing out anti-evolution literature, so it is pleasing to me at least to see someone think for a change.
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:04:37 AM PDT
by
JHBowden
(Giuliani/Allen 2008!)
To: JHBowden
Except don't they think any one who is not muslim is a monkey?
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:06:04 AM PDT
by
svcw
To: JHBowden
We don't need muslims telling us anything
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:08:32 AM PDT
by
Khepera
(Do not remove by penalty of law!)
To: JHBowden
To think one needs to have something to do it with.
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:09:26 AM PDT
by
GSlob
To: aculeus
"I then asked a Muslim doctor - and presumably a person with some scientific and medical training - and he told me that evolution was certainly a convincing framework for explaining how so many different species had come to appear on the planet during the course of many hundreds of millions of years. Yet, when I posed the same question to him live on air (on my show for the Islam Channel) he would only say that "My belief on this question is the same as what our scholars derive from Islamic sources, so no, I don't accept it".
He was clearly afraid of the reaction that his true views on evolution would cause." [Emphasis mine]
It's a good thing that leftists spent all their energy attacking Pres. Bush for the "culture of fear" that he creates, huh?
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:12:20 AM PDT
by
Zero Sum
(Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
To: Khepera; aculeus; All
The word "algebra" is named after the Arabic word "al-jabr" from the title of the book al-Kitab al-mu ta ar fi isab al-gabr wa-l-muqabala, meaning The book of Summary Concerning Calculating by Transposition and Reduction, a book written by the Persian Muslim mathematician Muhammad ibn Musa al-warrizmi; in 820. They jumped the shark after algebra
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:15:44 AM PDT
by
edpc
(Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
To: JHBowden
Since Darwin implicitly rejected G*d, I think that the answer is a big DOH.
To: edpc
Math came from India after the Arab conquest. Don't give Islam credit for things it didn't invent.
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:21:36 AM PDT
by
js1138
(Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
To: aculeus
"Darwin and God: can they co-exist? "
They do co-exist.
The problem is, one is lying and the other one is not.
I believe in God so I couldn't possibly believe in Darwin.
Who do YOU have your FAITH in?
BTW, the evidence doesn't point to Darwin ... .
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:23:39 AM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
To: aculeus
"... Muslim students may come to wrongly blame Islam, rather than the ill-informed interpretation of the Qur'an by some Muslims, for denying the fact - not theory - of biological evolution." I am so torn. It would be a shame if Muslim students came to disdain Islam for the wrong reasons. And yet few among us would applaud a secular influence from prying at the chinks in the Islamic façade.
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:28:47 AM PDT
by
NicknamedBob
(I never submit to IQ tests. That way, I can honestly say that my IQ can not be measured.)
To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Evolution Deceit
"The Real Ideological Root of Terrorism: Darwinism and Materialism; Islam is not the source of terrorism but its solution"
Why Muslims Should Support Intelligent Design
Evolution and Islam
"As for claim that man has evolved from a non-human species, this is unbelief (kufr) no matter if we ascribe the process to Allah or to "nature," because it negates the truth of Adam's special creation that Allah has revealed in the Qur'an. Man is of special origin, attested to not only by revelation, but also by the divine secret within him, the capacity for ma'rifa or knowledge of the Divine that he alone of all things possesses. By his God-given nature, man stands before a door opening onto infinitude that no other creature in the universe can aspire to. Man is something else."
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:29:06 AM PDT
by
JHBowden
(Giuliani/Allen 2008!)
To: nmh
"Who do YOU have your FAITH in?"
This isn't a matter of faith, but of logic and evidence. While religion varies from place to place; science is universal.
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:30:33 AM PDT
by
JHBowden
(Giuliani/Allen 2008!)
To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Since Darwin didn't reject God I think maybe your wrong.
The question should be can the literal Genesis account and Darwinism Co-exist? The answer is no. For Genesis to be taken literally then a good bit of science has to be thrown out. It is much easier to take Genesis as an allegorical account of the beginning and leave the science alone.
That is a big kick in the head for people who interpret the Bible literally but sooner or later they will have to get over it. For now they are going to come to this thread scream and yell but really most of them are already dying off. They just like to make a big stink.
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:30:44 AM PDT
by
Sentis
(You said the world doesn't need salvation so why do I hear it calling out for a Savior.)
To: nmh
God called Darwin to stand before Him.
"Now that you have been here for a while, have you changed your mind about anything?"
... "Yes, Lord, I have ... Did You isolate mankind on the planet Earth so that they would develop into a unique kind of entity, like the turtles and lizards and birds of the Galapagos?"
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posted on
07/04/2006 10:39:27 AM PDT
by
NicknamedBob
(I never submit to IQ tests. That way, I can honestly say that my IQ can not be measured.)
To: aculeus
The cult has not evolved since it assembled itself and crawled out of the dung heap of ancient history to stink up the world. They should have put a lid on the dumpster.
To: nmh
There is a somewhat disturbing lack of understanding about what evolution actually is, even within the evolution/ID debate. It's depressing, as a scientist, every time I turn on the television and see people arguing against and trying to suppress a theory they don't even understand.
Evolution does not attempt to address the origins of life. It only notes what has been observed to happen to that life once it has been created. Evolution and creationism co-exist perfectly.
We observe mutations every day -- children unfortunately born blind or with extra or fewer limbs. Those are examples of negative mutations. However, once in a while there is a mutation that, while unusual, actually BENEFITS the child. If the benefit is great enough, the opposite sex will instinctively find it attractive and the mutated gene will be passed down to the next generation. That is evolution.
Darwin, as a Christian, never suggested that God did not have a hand in the development or progression of human life.
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posted on
07/04/2006 11:06:18 AM PDT
by
botsnack
Placemarker
To: Frumious Bandersnatch; Thatcherite
Since Darwin implicitly rejected G*d, I think that the answer is a big DOH. Darwin's ideas on religion and his ideas on evolution are separate issues. Just as Nobel's ideas on chemistry and religion are separate issues.
I don't think God created fossils, so as to trick anyone. He created a few hundred of millions of years worth of life, so that I can fill my 40 gallon gas tank, and so that biologists have something interesting to study in school.
To: CarolinaGuitarman
===> Placemarker <===
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posted on
07/04/2006 11:14:10 AM PDT
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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