Posted on 08/25/2006 3:11:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
In Canada and most other liberal countries capital punishment is outlawed and usually opposed by a healthy majority of the population. That is all well and good. I too oppose capital punishment in those nations where the penal system is sufficient to keep dangerous criminals out of harms way.
However, many of these so-called liberal countries, accept abortion, and most began their acceptance of abortion with accepting abortion in the hard cases of rape and incest.
However, in a civilized country we punish the guilty and not the innocent. So why are we suggesting capital punishment for the innocent unborn child rather than the guilty rapist?
We do not usually suggest criminal penalty for the children of those who commit crimes so why are we suggesting capital punishment for the child of the rapist?
Secondly, abortion is harmful to the women that undergo it. Childbirth is a natural function that women's bodies were made for. Abortion is not. Abortion is a traumatic event psychologically, emotionally, spiritually and physically.
Why are we giving more trauma to the victim of rape by encouraging her to abort her child?
Carrying such a child to term has been for many women a help in coming to grips with the abuse they suffered. Many victims of rape and children born of such attacks have testified to these truths.
For more information on the harmful effects of abortion on women we suggest contacting Silent No More Awareness Campaign.
Actually, some people on this forum would condemn you just as much whatever day you took the pills, since they'd decide the intent was the same, and since their knowledge of biological issues in general is pretty limited (look at all the posters who think the morning after pill and RU-486 are exactly the same thing!).
You are right. The mindset of rape victims are greatly affected by those around them. More than ever, she needs people to be honest with her. As she gets older & more mature, she'll either think it's okay to tell loved ones half truths (for their own good, of course) or she will feel betrayed so badly, she'll mistrust those who tell her they love her. Depriving someone of the information they need to make an *informed choice* can have unforeseeable consequences.
How they handle it is crucial. If they tell the child that this is a BABY, that puts the picture of a cooing, little one in her head. If they refer to the pregnancy as a seed, or an egg, she may not suffer as badly if she chose to end the pregnancy.
She will not have "chosen" if she has been told it was only a seed or an egg. She gets older, gets married, gets pregnant or has trouble getting pregnant, your words intended to comfort her, to push her to abort may come back to haunt her. Equating a human life to an egg or a seed is dishonest.
If I was the mother, I would do what is right for my child.
Lying to your child to get them to do what you think they should do isn't doing right by anyone. Children know, which is why you skirt around calling a human life a baby. At the very least, be honest with yourself & stop rationalizing the lie.
And I know, I would never force her to give birth. I simply could not do that to her. And I firmly believe that God would understand, and if not, He would forgive.
God forgives, but first we must repent. If we keep lying to ourselves, we are not able to repent. Bearing false witness against our unborn grandchild, to promote their execution...
I'm not an expert biologist and I'll probably have some fellow Catholics screaming for my blood, but I believe that life begins with the creation of individual DNA, unique from the mother. Can't remember when that occurs--sometime in the first 24-72 hours or something. At that point, it is not, scientifically, a matter of "It's my body and I'll do with it what I choose." It is someone else's body, located in potentially hostile territory.
The problem is, you are killing an innocent victim with an abortion, not the person who committed the crime. Not only that, but contrary to popular belief, abortion is a traumatic experience for women. I've known many women who've had an abortion and not one of them was better off after the abortion than they were before it, including one I knew who got pregnant after a rape. She still cries about the abortion whenever she speaks of it, even though it happened 30 years ago!
Excellent.
Why punish an innocent child for a crime his father committed?
Yes. I would encourage, more than encourage them to not murder their own child because of the circumstances of the conception, and I'm not ashamed to say so. IT IS THEIR CHILD TOO.
You had said previously of my decision that my choice proves that I do not "actually hold a fertilized egg as being equivalent to a human life" because I would save the babies rather than the eggs. I think your answer to my counter-hypothetical illustrates that you make a faulty conclusion.
No sentence. This is exactly the problem.
In my view, the penalty for abortion should be by default exactly the same as for murder, but of course clemency should be given women who abort following a rape, or due to some other stressful cuircumstance, just like in the case of murder, murderers who commit that crime in strained circumstance often get clemency.
problem is that you seem to think RU-486 and the morning after pill are the same thing.
Thery are not the same thing, but all three: the usual contraception, morning after pill recently in the news, and chemical abortion agents all have an abortifacient component, in various degrees of strength.
Not sure, no picture or whatever ....
Do you feel that the rapist should have his sentence reduced as well because his first innocent victem chose the death penalty for his second innocent victem in the form of abortion?
Many consider it traumatic to allow the rapist to live.
It is moral for a nation to execute a violent serial rapist provided due process was given.
An unborn child no matter the circumstance of the conception committed no crime and must be allowed to live.
If abortion ever becomes illegal, you're never going to see a murder penalty for the woman. There never was one before, when it was illegal. The doctor wasn't even punished as though it were murder.
SeaYa
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