Posted on 10/03/2006 5:48:47 PM PDT by annie laurie
Smaller and cooler than the gas giants, Neptune and Uranus are classified as ice giants. It’s a good name, since they do have large quantities of water ice mixed in with a largely hydrogen and helium atmosphere. There’s very little water at the cloud tops, but the percentage of water increases as you descend towards the heavier core. Could there be a layer on Neptune with enough pressure and temperature for liquid water to form into vast oceans? And if not Neptune, what about a Neptune-like planet orbiting another star?
First, a little about Neptune. This “ice giant” planet orbits the Sun at a distance at about 30 AU (30 times the Earth-Sun distance). Its surface temperature is a frigid 50-degrees above absolute zero, but temperatures increase as you descend down through the cloud tops because of residual heat from its formation. Its upper atmosphere is 80% hydrogen and 19% helium with a few other chemicals.
Trace amounts of water is visible in Neptune’s upper atmosphere, but astronomers believe the ratio of water increases as you pass down through the cloud tops. Planetary scientists have theorized that water could exist deep down in Neptune’s solid core, in an ionic state, where temperatures are thousands of degrees Kelvin. But there might be a spot higher up, where temperatures are cooler (less than 800 K) and pressures more reasonable (less than 20 kbar) then vast oceans of liquid water could form.
But it’s a tricky balance. Whether or not an ocean can form depends on the water to gas mix in the atmosphere at the right temperatures. As you descend through the atmosphere, the ratio of water to hydrogen increases. At the same time, water can only condense out of the atmosphere when the temperatures are cool enough. If it’s too hot, or the ratio of water is too low, you’ll just get a cloud base - something like fog above Neptune’s more solid interior.
But if the temperatures are cool enough at the right pressures, and there’s enough water in the atmosphere, it should condense out to form an ocean layer before the clouds begin.
Researchers Sloane J. Wiktorowicz and Andrew P. Ingersoll from the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena have done the calculations for Neptune in their new paper, Liquid Water Oceans in Ice Giants.
According to data gathered from here on Earth and the Voyager spacecraft, Neptune is probably too dry and too warm for these oceans to form. Wiktorowicz and Ingersoll calculated that there’s less than a 15% chance of oceans on Neptune. But as Neptune cools over time - perhaps in a billion years or so - the chance of water oceans increases to 40%.
Neptune might not be a great candidate, but extrasolar planets could fit the bill. As techniques for finding extrasolar planets improve, astronomers should be on the lookout for Neptune-class planets with surface temperatures cooler than Neptune, but a higher ratio of water in the atmosphere.
And these should be easier to spot than small rocky planets close to their parent stars.
Of course there is. Why do you think they call it Neptune?
Link to the CalTech paper:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0609/0609723.pdf
Is there an aurora around Uranus?
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Better yet is there a functioning brain in the US Congress or the Senate?
Mysterious things that make you go....hummmmmm
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I would say that Uranus is DEFINITELY a gas giant!!
it should condense out to form an ocean layer before the clouds begin.
Wow! I'm having a little trouble conceiving of an ocean above the "clouds".
LOL! Great one …
If the moon can have the Sea of Tranquility, I guess it's OK for Neptune to have an ocean. As long as we make sure Pluto isn't a planet, anything goes.
Ask Ingo Swann. He's battin' 1000 with his descriptions....from as far back as 1972 he's accurately described the chemical composition and physical attributes of all the outer planets with his US government funded and supervised observations.
Why. It's right there in Genesis 1:6-10
There is nothing new under the sun...
With Pluto out of the running, they need to exchange the names of the last two planets, since Uranus should be at the rear...
One day Uranus will be colonized by Klingons.
I hope nobody minds my asking a serious question on this joke thread.
I assume water found outside of earth isnt the same as the water we drink. Is it merely a matter of seperating the pure H2O from any "additives" that are in it or would water itself be entirely different on another planet?
Molecule is the same and if purified you would get distilled water, same as if you were to purify water on earth. Only potential difference that I could see would be different proportions of hydrogen and oxygen isotopes.
I saw a few minutes of a discovery show on water. It was very interesting in that water is really quite amazing. Such things as how it expands when frozen and floats (unique to all other liquids) and how it binds to itself to hold together.
So I was thinking that water on a different planet probaly would not behave the same as it does on earth.
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