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Hagel expects an OK on immigration bill
Omaha World Herald. ^ | November 10, 2006

Posted on 11/10/2006 4:23:47 PM PST by jamesrichards

Hagel expects an OK on immigration bill

Sen. Chuck Hagel predicted Wednesday that the new Congress will pass a comprehensive immigration overhaul bill in the next session. The Nebraska Republican had strongly criticized his fellow GOP lawmakers in September for failing to update immigration law. He said then that it would cost them in the midterm elections.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bushamnesty; chuckhagel; hagel; immigrantlist; invasionusa; openborders
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To: kuma
Are there enough conservatives left to filibuster this?

Republicans, yes. Conservatives.......
41 posted on 11/10/2006 6:11:17 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: jamesrichards

you need 41. I don't know if we can hold on this in the senate.

the best bet - is a coalition in the house between the Rs and enough of the blue dogs, to stop it.

otherwise, it passes. Bush could care less about the base now.


42 posted on 11/10/2006 6:13:52 PM PST by oceanview
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To: jamesrichards
There is no way the senate will filibuster with the rinos terrified for their jobs.

Not necessarily true, depending on whether McConnel can crack the whip and keep enough of the RINOs in line.
43 posted on 11/10/2006 6:14:02 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: livius

so you are actually telling us that if amnesty had passed - the Rs would have WON the past election?

no way.

Bush should have never brought this issue up, he drove a wedge through his own party by advocating it - forcing his own party to scramble to try and find a way to stop it.

unfortunately, the part of the conservative base that stayed home - did understand that the republican House was the only thing stopping this.

so now, they will get it.


44 posted on 11/10/2006 6:19:06 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

did understand = didn't understand.


45 posted on 11/10/2006 6:20:21 PM PST by oceanview
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To: jamesrichards
I don't believe the Democrats would hand Bush/Republicans a victory on an immigration bill. Somehow, the Democrats will make the bill so unpalatable, even Bush won't sign it - then they'll use it as a campaign issue in 2008, hoping to have a Democratic President sing the bill.
46 posted on 11/10/2006 6:20:55 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: jamesrichards
....comprehensive immigration overhaul bill

Always remember that when you see the word "comprehensive", it means the bill is loaded with all kinds of unpalatable provisions that would never pass individually on their own.

This crap needs to be killed dead.

47 posted on 11/10/2006 6:23:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: oceanview

No, what I am saying is that I think this was not the most important issue on people's minds, and that an obsessive few in the GOP made it look like it was the overriding issue and distracted the voters. I think many were turned off by the shrill "build a giant wall and turn hoses on the Mexicans" screaming that was coming from some quarters. I know I certainly was.


48 posted on 11/10/2006 6:25:38 PM PST by livius
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To: Lancey Howard
That bill has been a done deal since long before the election. The REPUBLICAN CONGRESS changed the funding to make sure the wall wouldn't even get started because they knew there would be no need for the wall. :)

Last-minute bill changes funding for border fence

But shortly before recessing late Friday, the House and Senate gave the Bush administration leeway to distribute the money to a combination of projects -- not just the physical barrier along the southern border. The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and "tactical infrastructure" to support the Homeland Security Department's preferred option of a "virtual fence."

The loopholes leave the Bush administration with authority to decide where, when and how long a fence will be built, except for small stretches east of San Diego and in western Arizona. Homeland Security officials have proposed a fence half as long, lawmakers said.

This case reflects political calculations by GOP strategists that voters do not mind the details, and that key players -- including the administration, local leaders and the Mexican government - oppose a fence-only approach, analysts said.

49 posted on 11/10/2006 6:29:36 PM PST by Netizen (When the PINO signs his beloved scamnesty bill, the GOP officially dies and the Bush legacy is set.)
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To: livius

fair enough.

but what could we do, the issue was forced on us by Bush. the honest approach to this, would have been for Bush to simply say "the issue of amnesty was not part of the 2004 election, let the political system work, let it be debated and let people elect those they want who support their position". But instead, he forced it on us - we had two choices, stop it or allow it to become law.


50 posted on 11/10/2006 6:31:05 PM PST by oceanview
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To: jamesrichards

UpChuck Hagel supports amnesty, i.e. SB2611, sent to the House at the beginning of the past Summer.

The House passed HR4437, what we really need, but that died when they received S2611 and were faced with a compromise between the two.

The House, instead of getting down to business and insisting on the most stringent provisions, equivocated and set about holding "hearings" around the country.

This weakness didn't exactly inspire GOP voters.

Thank you, Denny Hastert.


51 posted on 11/10/2006 6:35:48 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: Uncle Vlad

And as a long-time Nebraskan I would like to also apologize for all of the republicans who voted for Ben Nelson.


52 posted on 11/10/2006 6:40:52 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: jamesrichards

Yes, you got your numbers right.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1640454/posts

Yet, we just lost 3 Republican Senators who voted NO on S2611: Allen, Burns and Talent.

Did the voters who care about immigration enforcement and border security make a point of campaigning and voting for these Senators? What happened?

Did the national GOP deliberately withhold support from these candidates because of their immigration stance? What happened?

Did the candidates themselves play it down in the campaign?

It has nothing to do with the Senate now; it's in the House.



53 posted on 11/10/2006 6:45:38 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: Plutarch

Voting against apparently didn't help Allen, Burns and Talent either.


54 posted on 11/10/2006 6:46:17 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: trek

I know people that don't listen to Savage, and probably aren't aware that Pat Buchanan is still alive and they were furuious with the Republicans thumbing their collective noses at the base on immigration. Blame Savage if it makes you feel better, but we know where the real blame for this debacle lies.


55 posted on 11/10/2006 6:47:40 PM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: livius
Making it a federal issue made it impossible to solve,

We have this thing called federal immigration law and it's not being enforced.
Therein DOES lie the problem.

56 posted on 11/10/2006 6:48:20 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: onyx

No RINO my Pelosi. The Dems don't go three days in a row without praising: 1. McCain, Lugar and Hagel. There's a reason for that.


57 posted on 11/10/2006 6:49:44 PM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: jamesrichards

The DEMOCRATS added the provision last minute to make being here illegally a felony. That's the only way it could get out of committee. Then they sat back and watched Republicans ... Sensenbrenner, et al ... take the blame.


58 posted on 11/10/2006 6:50:07 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God bless America, Land that I LOVE...)
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To: Uncle Vlad

Is Hagel's seat the one Tom Osburne ran for and lost?

I was almost as shocked by Osburne's loss as I was for Bud Wilkinson's loss around 1956 in a Senate bid


59 posted on 11/10/2006 6:58:06 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: jamesrichards
He said then that it would cost them in the midterm elections.

I think Republican corruption was the biggest factor. Even so, W was pushing amnesty right up to election day. Maybe that was a big factor too.

60 posted on 11/10/2006 7:02:11 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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