[fight_truth_decay]

Added news bit: So Why Are The Arctic Monkeys Shivering?

Subjects: Science, Hypocrisy, Global Warming, Al Gore, Inconvenient Truth, Live Earth

[eyedigress]

Have you checked out the local Rehab facilities available to you? Be sure to make the Government pay for it...../s

[doc1019]

From what I have read, the Garden of Eden was warm, tropical, and comfortable to its inhabitants.

[Logophile]

Scientists who probed two kilometers (1.2 miles) through a Greenland glacier to recover the oldest plant DNA on record said Thursday the planet was far warmer hundreds of thousands of years ago than is generally believed. DNA of trees, plants and insects including butterflies and spiders from beneath the southern Greenland glacier was estimated to date to 450,000 to 900,000 years ago, according to the remnants retrieved from this long-vanished boreal forest.

Yeah, and what happened to those trees, plants, butterflies, and spiders? They are all dead now, killed off by global climate change. The planet was far warmer then, and they died. We're doomed.

[bikerMD]

Scientists who probed two kilometers (1.2 miles) through a Greenland glacier to recover the oldest plant DNA on record said Thursday the planet was far warmer hundreds of thousands of years ago than is generally believed.

Flintstones, Meet the Flintstones
They're the modern stone-age family
From the town of Bedrock
They're a page right out of history

Let's ride with the family down the street
Through the courtesy of Fred's SUV
When you're with the Flinstones
Have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
You'll have a gay old time

[John123]

the planet was far warmer hundreds of thousands of years ago than is generally believed.

Al Gore's ancestors must have been buying carbon offsets back then too...

[Ditto]

Measurements? We don't need no stink'n measurements.

We got Algore's Magical Computer Models (TM) to tells us how thing were, and how thing are going to be.

Just send your money to Algore.inc and quite reading this stupid science crap.

[sourcery]

Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

• Science, not politics
• Statistics needed
• The original denier: into the cold
• End the chill
• They call this a consensus?
• The limits of predictability
• Unsettled science
• The ice-core man
• The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science
• Polar scientists on thin ice
• The sun moves climate change
• Bright sun, warm Earth. Coincidence?
• Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
• Read the sunspots
• Forget warming - beware the new ice age
• Little Ice Age is still with us
• Fighting climate 'fluff'

Other References:

• Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny
• The Global Warming Myth
• Father of Climatology Throws Up at the Thought of Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth'
• IPCC Scientists Challenge Al Gore’s View of Global Warming Consensus
• Swedish Scientist Accuses UN's IPCC of Falsifying Data and Destroying Evidence
• Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
• Global Warming and Nature's Thermostat
• Linkages between solar activity, climate predictability and water resource development (PDF)
• Proof on Ice: Southern Greenland Was Once Green; Earth Warmer
• The Real 'Inconvenient Truth'
• New findings indicate today's greenhouse gas levels not unusual
• Climate Change: Incorrect information on pre-industrial CO2
• Global Warming as a Religion
• I Was On the Global Warming Gravy Train (By David Evans)
• Still Waiting for Greenhouse
• GREENIE WATCH
• Why Global Warming Would be Good for You
• Temperature vs. Cosmic Ray Flux
• Global Warming Primer (PDF)
• Global Warming: An Official Pseudoscience
• Fiddler On The Roof
• Debating Global Warming
• Climate Resistance

[Reverend Bob]

Ping

[DancesWithBolsheviks]

“Oldest DNA”
Was it on an old blue dress?

[Reeses]

scientists built a record of greenhouse-gas concentrations over the aeons, which in turn provides a record of temperature.

Good article except for that since it's so loosely coupled. The kind of plants and animals that could live at a latitude and their frequency would be a much more precise indication of temperature. Now the scientists need to figure out the mechanics of change and what we can influence. I bet clouds play a major role and there are probably inexpensive ways climate engineers can create and dissipate clouds.

[Fred Nerks]

The 3,260-metre (10,595-feet) core was drilled into the East Antarctica icesheet at the Franco-Italian base, Dome C. The drillers, gathered in a venture called the European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica (EPICA) stopped just 15 metres (48.75 feet) short of the bedrock.

after drilling for 10,595 feet, they stopped just 46.75 feet short of the bedrock? What were they afraid to find...a piece of wood that could be carbon dated...?

[SunkenCiv]

Ancient Greenland was actually green!
MSNBC | 7-05-07 | By Ker Than
Posted on 07/05/2007 5:54:18 PM EDT by Ancient Drive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1861403/posts

[Constantine XIII]

I thought the oldest DNA ever recovered came from that T-Rex bone.

[gnewburg]

Being just a bit scientifically curious, my question is: How does this study (apparently still under review) translate to the rate of global average temperature flux? It's already known that Greenland has also been influenced in the past by changes in oceanic heat distribution. And what are the study's implications in today's world of accelerated change and 6+ billion people? Much of the concern with human influence and it's feedback effects (along with any future natural warming) seems to be the potential rate of change, and how it will affect our holocene biosphere.

[SunkenCiv]

DNA reveals a green Greenland
by Louis Buckley
July 5, 2007

Scientists have drilled through two kilometres of ice in southern Greenland and retrieved DNA from the pine forest that once existed there, buzzing with prehistoric insect life. Dated to between 450,000 and 800,000 years old, the DNA is among the oldest ever found... plant fossils dating to 2.4 million years ago have been found in the far northeast of the country. But, surprisingly, the DNA evidence for plant life stops at 450,000 years ago. Researchers say the lack of younger DNA suggests that this portion of the land has been covered by ice ever since -- and that goes against the prevailing view of Greenland's climatic history. During the last interglacial period (130-116 thousand years ago), the climate was 5 °C warmer than it is today, says Eske Willerslev, director of the centre for ancient genetics at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark. "Sea levels were 5-6 metres higher, and most scientific models have assumed that the melting of the southern Greenland ice cap was responsible. But our data suggest that this was not the case."