[GodGunsGuts]

A short commentary on the above excerpted from the Institute for Creation Research website:

One idea never considered is that the missing 90% never occurred. The twentieth century has seen the revival of catastrophism in Earth geology and the discovery of "young" features like Saturn's rings and the geysers of Enceladus. Secular scientists are even exploring the possibility that gas giants like Jupiter could form in mere thousands of years. Earlier reasons for trusting the opinions of Lyell (a lawyer) have eroded away.

Should scientists be allowed to infer histories that are indistinguishable from myth? If it were not that Darwinian evolution requires vast ages (as if that would help), many of the features observed by the space program would be considered young. The planets have no obligation to Charles -- Lyell or Darwin.

*David F. Coppedge works in the Cassini program at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

http://www.icr.org/article/3389/

[GodGunsGuts]

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[fishtank]

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[billybudd]

Wait a second, 700 million years? That’s complete BS. The universe, earth and planets all, was formed 5,000 years ago. Those bobble-headed physicists are wrong again - they rely way too much on incorrect telescopes and formulas, they should look more to the Bible for empirical data.

[Coyoteman]

Your link to an article from the Institute for Creation Research, commenting on a science article in Astrobiology, makes it seem that the ICR is doing science.

Lets look at what type of "science" they are doing. Here, from their webpage, is what they believe:

Tenets of Scientific Creationism

• The physical universe of space, time, matter, and energy has not always existed, but was supernaturally created by a transcendent personal Creator who alone has existed from eternity.
• The phenomenon of biological life did not develop by natural processes from inanimate systems but was specially and supernaturally created by the Creator.
• Each of the major kinds of plants and animals was created functionally complete from the beginning and did not evolve from some other kind of organism. Changes in basic kinds since their first creation are limited to "horizontal" changes (variations) within the kinds, or "downward' changes (e.g., harmful mutations, extinctions).
• The first human beings did not evolve from an animal ancestry, but were specially created in fully human form from the start. Furthermore, the "spiritual" nature of man (self-image, moral consciousness, abstract reasoning, language, will, religious nature, etc.) is itself a supernaturally created entity distinct from mere biological life.
• The record of earth history, as preserved in the earth's crust, especially in the rocks and fossil deposits, is primarily a record of catastrophic intensities of natural processes, operating largely within uniform natural laws, rather than one of gradualism and relatively uniform process rates. There are many scientific evidences for a relatively recent creation of the earth and the universe, in addition to strong scientific evidence that most of the earth's fossiliferous sedimentary rocks were formed in an even more recent global hydraulic cataclysm.
• Processes today operate primarily within fixed natural laws and relatively uniform process rates, but since these were themselves originally created and are daily maintained by their Creator, there is always the possibility of miraculous intervention in these laws or processes by their Creator. Evidences for such intervention should be scrutinized critically, however, because there must be clear and adequate reason for any such action on the part of the Creator.
• The universe and life have somehow been impaired since the completion of creation, so that imperfections in structure, disease, aging, extinctions, and other such phenomena are the result of "negative" changes in properties and processes occurring in an originally-perfect created order.
• Since the universe and its primary components were created perfect for their purposes in the beginning by a competent and volitional Creator, and since the Creator does remain active in this now-decaying creation, there do exist ultimate purposes and meanings in the universe. Teleological considerations, therefore, are appropriate in scientific studies whenever they are consistent with the actual data of observation. Furthermore, it is reasonable to assume that the creation presently awaits the consummation of the Creator's purpose.
• Although people are finite and scientific data concerning origins are always circumstantial and incomplete, the human mind (if open to possibility of creation) is able to explore the manifestations of that Creator rationally, scientifically, and teleologically.

If they want to believe this way, fine. But they shouldn't try to call it science--that would be a lie.

It's pure apologetics.

[rickdylan]

Venus is the thing which keeps me from being a complete YEC. Venus at least appears to be ballpark for the sort of 6000 - 10000 year age which people used to deduce from biblical chronologies. Mars and Earth do not look like that and you’d assume they were significantly older.

[bert]

Meanwhile on earth they still hunt reasons to support their belief in pure unadultrated myth.

[Cicero]

Fascinating article, thanks.

As he says, the modeling is primitive, and there are too many variables to do more than hypothesize. But I find the idea the plate tectonics requires water to lubricate it quite provocative.

No way to know if it’s true without more evidence, but it’s an interesting idea, that the planet may have seized up at some point, and then passed the point of no return.

[Right Winged American]

I can't believe it. 25 posts, and absolutely no one has used the name; Velikovski(sp?)

Oh, that's right. Nobody can remember how to spell it.

[mazza]

There is an excellent book that is pro creation called Show Me God by Fred Heeren He is a scientist that uses cosmology to show the ignorance involved in being an evolutionist. I keep going back to this book again and again.

[SunkenCiv]

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