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The judge, of course, is a Clinton appointee.
1 posted on 10/07/2007 7:54:29 AM PDT by 2Am4Sure
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interestingly, neither the First nor Second Amendments apply at the workplace.
2 posted on 10/07/2007 7:56:18 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: 2Am4Sure
criminally prohibit an effective method of reducing gun-related workplace injuries

Let's see the evidence. In my world, the places with the most gun-related workplace injuries are gun-free zones: Columbine, Virginia Tech, Con-Agra Foods, Lockheed Martin, etc...

3 posted on 10/07/2007 7:57:39 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: 2Am4Sure

private property.


5 posted on 10/07/2007 8:06:38 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2Am4Sure
He said disgruntled workers who shoot people in the workplace are going to do so no matter what laws are on the books.
Like some statements of a official piece of paper will stop somebody's rage. Geeze, another sitting duck situation.
14 posted on 10/07/2007 8:16:25 AM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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result oriented rulings, how french.


15 posted on 10/07/2007 8:17:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Actually, I don’t mind a private employer forbidding firearms on their property. I see that as an enforcement of private property rights. If I don't want you on my home with a firearm, I should have the right to enforce that provision.

However, there are to caveats:

1) The employer has no right to forbid firearms inside the person’s car as that is their private property.

2) The employer assumes full responsibility for their disarming policies. By that, I mean that if an employer chooses to require the disarming of employees, then they employer is LIABLE for any and all damages resulting from their failure to secure the employee from harm.

19 posted on 10/07/2007 8:22:15 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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I work at a nuclear power plant, so you can imagine their policy on people carrying guns onto plant property. Problem is, with the security guards capping themselves, I’m more worried about THEM than I am some disgruntled employee.


20 posted on 10/07/2007 8:22:50 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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"Kern concluded that the proposed changes to Oklahoma law conflict with -- and are legally pre-empted by -- the 1970 Occupational Health and Safety Act."

By that, I'm guessing that they're saying the presence of guns in employees cars pose an occupational hazard to the employees. Well, I suppose that's possible, sure.

But if a study comes out demonstrating that guns in employee's cars actually reduce violence, injury, and death in the workplace, wouldn't it then be an OSHA requirement to have a gun? You know, like OSHA requires a back brace to reduce back injury if you're going to lift over X pounds?

Using OSHA as the justification for this law could have interesting and unintended consequences.

24 posted on 10/07/2007 8:24:41 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Simple solution: Never buy your gasoline at a Conoco Phillips gas station, especially at night! The liberal judge just put all the states gas station attendants and convenience store attendants on death watch. Another case of ‘the slippery slope’ to a world where only criminals have guns (oh, and the guy at the other end of 911 who MIGHT show up shortly after your death at the hands of said criminal).


28 posted on 10/07/2007 8:28:36 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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Personally, I think you should be able to carry anywhere.

However, employers have the right to have conditions of employment. If you don't like those conditions, don't work there.

The same attitude with smoking. If the establishment does not want smokers in/on his premises, that is his choice.

However, screw all the silly laws that dictate/mandate rules and conditions in the private sector. I am extremely Conservative and I hate the government. Leave us alone and let us manage our own lives.

(BTW, I carry, and smoke.)
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45 posted on 10/07/2007 8:48:25 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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There are job sites that only a fool who thinks the constitution is a suicide pact would allow any employee to carry a gun anywhere they want. Most banks have central vaults in which large amounts of money are processed, several million in cash, only the security guards assigned to the vault were allowed carry weapons in the vault where I worked. I supported the surveillance equipment at the site a regularly observed people doing stupid to try to steel the money. I don't want the janitors and the guy who fills the candy machine carrying a gun.
59 posted on 10/07/2007 9:15:44 AM PDT by ThomasThomas
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I’ll bet that that judge has a gun at his workplace.


65 posted on 10/07/2007 9:25:54 AM PDT by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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To: 2Am4Sure

This is so clear even I can understand it. It’s private property.

I I as a property owner say no pink lacy underwearer is allowed on my property. That’s the way it is.


85 posted on 10/07/2007 10:16:34 AM PDT by live+let_live
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The first & second amendments were in place before this company built the facility.


118 posted on 10/07/2007 6:54:32 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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but can customers be prohibited?

There are limits, for example an employeer can not forbid an employee from voting or from going to jury duty.


124 posted on 10/08/2007 6:12:19 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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but can customers be prohibited?

There are limits, for example an employeer can not forbid an employee from voting or from going to jury duty.


125 posted on 10/08/2007 6:12:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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I have a ton of rules at work.

I'm expected to abide by them, if I want to keep working there.

No, different in this case.

130 posted on 10/08/2007 7:40:55 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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When an employer doesn’t allow guns to be locked in cars in their parking lots, they are preventing their employees the ability to defend themselfs on the trip to work, and the trip home (or wherever one goes after work). Will the company be responsible for any harm to the employees after they leave the parking lot? NO, of course not.

I’m sure the next post will say, “well, they can just get other off-company parking”. That is not always possible.

IMHO, if a company doesn’t want guns in cars in their parking lots, then let them set up a guard station at the entrance and let the employees check their guns on the way in and retrieve them on the way out. Otherwise, the company should completely indemnify the employees for any loss while they are dis-armed because of the company policy.


141 posted on 10/08/2007 10:58:17 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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