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Posted on 02/05/2008 1:45:51 PM PST by blam
I think that particular lake was later shown not be an impact feature, but I’m too lazy to check.
History Of The Peloponnesian War...The next summer the Peloponnesians and their allies set out to invade Attica under the command of Agis, son of Archidamus, and went as far as the Isthmus, but numerous earthquakes occurring, turned back again without the invasion taking place. About the same time that these earthquakes were so common, the sea at Orobiae, in Euboea, retiring from the then line of coast, returned in a huge wave and invaded a great part of the town, and retreated leaving some of it still under water; so that what was once land is now sea; such of the inhabitants perishing as could not run up to the higher ground in time. A similar inundation also occurred at Atalanta, the island off the Opuntian Locrian coast, carrying away part of the Athenian fort and wrecking one of two ships which were drawn up on the beach. At Peparethus also the sea retreated a little, without however any inundation following; and an earthquake threw down part of the wall, the town hall, and a few other buildings. The cause, in my opinion, of this phenomenon must be sought in the earthquake. At the point where its shock has been the most violent, the sea is driven back and, suddenly recoiling with redoubled force, causes the inundation. Without an earthquake I do not see how such an accident could happen.
by Thucydides
Translated by Richard Crawley 1840-1893
Chapter XI:
Sixth Year of the War
Campaigns of Demosthenes in Western Greece
Ruin of Ambracia
Destruction of HelikeIn their reports, the researchers said these findings suggested that the pavement and wall stones were from the time of Helike's destruction and supported stories that the city ruins were for a long time submerged in the sea or a lagoon. The ruins were buried by silt, which, combined with a general uplifting of the land, had left the once-submerged site about half a mile inland from the present shore. A house built on the shore between the Selinous and Kerynites Rivers in the 1890's is now about 1,000 feet from the sea.
by John Noble WilfordThe Road to Ancient HelikeMuseum astronomer Steven Soter, who also works as a geoarchaeologist (a scientist who uses geology to investigate archaeological sites) is codirector, with Greek archaeologist Dora Katsonopoulou, of the Helike Project, which sent a dozen scientists and students into the field this past August and September. On a coastal plain of the northern Peloponnese, near modern Eliki, the team unearthed what is almost certain evidence of ancient Helike, which sank beneath the gulf during a major earthquake in 373 B.C. Soter, a soft-spoken staff scientist in the Museum's Division of Physical Sciences-Astrophysics, got his doctorate in astronomy from Cornell University in 1971 and for fifteen years was on the staff of Cornell's Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He worked as a research associate at the center with Thomas Gold, an astrophysicist who thinks that earthquakes are triggered by the release of gases that were incorporated into Earth during its formation and are now under enormous pressure from the overlying rock. Forcing their way up through cracks in the upper mantle, these gases can counteract the pressure that clamps Earth's tectonic plates together. The high-pressure gas reduces the friction across a fault, allowing the shearing forces in the rock to shift the plates sideways, sometimes catastrophically. From Gold's standpoint, it is a sudden decrease in fault strength, not a gradual increase in rock stress, that triggers an earthquake.
by Henry S. F. Cooper Jr.
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still more La Palma links:
http://www.geo.arizona.edu/~andyf/LaPalma/
in particular (FRAMEs interface)
http://www.geo.arizona.edu/~andyf/LaPalma/doomsday.html
http://www.physorg.com/news77977989.html
[snip] The southwestern flank of the island isn’t likely to fall into the sea (potentially causing a tsunami) for at least another 10,000 years, professor Jan Nieuwenhuis states in the September edition of the university’s science magazine Delft Integraal. [end]
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/08/040815234801.htm
[snip] Dr Russell Wynn said, “The Canary Islands are volcanic islands that collapse at regular intervals in geological time. However, it is important to remember that in the last 200,000 years there have only been two major landslides on the flanks of the Canary Islands. At SOC we have studied previous Canary Islands landslides to understand how they move, and have found good evidence to show that the landslides actually break up and fall into the sea in several stages. [end, that’s from Blam’s link]
http://www.sthjournal.org/media.htm
[that one is from 2003, prior to the Indonesian tsunami; also seems to rely on precognition]
semi-literate screed:
http://www.lapalma-tsunami.com/
http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=1803-01-
“The 47-km-long wedge-shaped island of La Palma, the NW-most of the Canary Islands, is composed of two large volcanic centers. The older 2426-m-high northern one is cut by the massive steep-walled Caldera Taburiente, one of several massive collapse scarps produced by edifice failure to the SW. The younger 1949-m-high Cumbre Vieja, the southern volcano, is one of the most active in the Canaries. The elongated volcano dates back to about 125,000 years ago and is oriented N-S. Eruptions during the past 7000 years have originated from the abundant cinder cones and craters along the axis of Cumbre Vieja, producing fissure-fed lava flows that descend steeply to the sea. Historical eruptions at La Palma, recorded since the 15th century, have produced mild explosive activity and lava flows that damaged populated areas. The southern tip of the island is mantled by a broad lava field produced during the 1677-1678 eruption. Lava flows also reached the sea in 1585, 1646, 1712, 1949, and 1971.”
Evaluation Of The Threat Of Mega Tsunami Generation
From Postulated Massive Slope Failures Of Island Volcanoes
On La Palma, Canary Islands, And On The Island Of Hawaii
George Pararas-Carayannis
Paper published in Science of Tsunami Hazards, Vol 20, No.5, pages 251-277, 2002. (Modified html format)
http://www.drgeorgepc.com/TsunamiMegaEvaluation.html
http://library.lanl.gov/tsunami/
An anthropogenic origin for the Sirente crater
by Fabio Speranza - Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia
http://spaceguard.esa.int/tumblingstone/issues/current/eng/sirente.htm
[snip] In our paper [”An anthropogenic origin of the ‘Sirente crater’, Abruzzi, Italy”, by F. Speranza, L. Sagnotti and P. Rochette, Meteoritics & Planetary Science 39, Nr 4, 635-649 (2004)] we report the results and the conclusion of a specific study on the morphological and geological characters of the Sirente plain, on the comparative analysis of several lakes from neighbour Abruzzi highlands which are very similar to the Sirente lake, and on geophysical and geochemical analyses carried out on soils and paleosols from Sirente and other Abruzzi localities. [end]
Women children and geep hit hardest.
geep
lol.
Look at all the R1b's.
Well, it now appears that a tsunami wiped out the Minoans on Crete, around 1450 B.C. That disaster may have even started the Atlantis myth.
:’) There was no tsunami.
New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289 | 13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Posted on 07/29/2004 3:25:45 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1180724/posts
You and me both. My last name ends in a vowel ;-).
Yeah, no fooling. There are any number of reasons why I would not buy and live in coastal property as my primary residence with all my family treasures. This is just one of them.
Archaeologists Rewrite Timeline Of Bronze And Iron Ages, Alphabet
Cornell University | 12-19-2001 | Blaine P. Friedlander Jr.
Posted on 12/24/2001 8:04:31 AM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/596279/posts
So Who Is Buried in Midas’s Tomb?
NYT | 12/25/2001 | John Noble Wilford
Posted on 12/25/2001 1:12:01 AM EST by a_Turk
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/596541/posts
Debate Erupts Anew: Did Thera’s Explosion Doom Minoan Crete?
International Herald Tribune | 10-23-2003 | William J. Broad
Posted on 10/23/2003 5:47:33 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1006850/posts
ARCHAEOLOGY: New Carbon Dates Support Revised History of Ancient Mediterranean
Science Magazine | 4/28/2006 | Michael Balter
Posted on 04/27/2006 7:59:30 PM EDT by Lessismore
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1622847/posts
[particularly message 25]
Olive branch solves a Bronze Age mystery
Yahoo/MSNBC (Science) | 3:04 p.m. ET April 27, 2006 | Kathleen Wren
Posted on 04/28/2006 8:59:40 AM EDT by The_Victor
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623102/posts
Ancient Volcano, Seeds And Treerings,
Suggest Rewriting Late Bronze Age Mediterranean History (More)
Cornell University | 4-28-2006 | Alex Kwan
Posted on 04/29/2006 3:24:20 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623821/posts
Santorini Eruption Much larger Than Originally Believed
University Rhode Island | 8-23-2006 | Todd McLeish
Posted on 08/23/2006 8:58:47 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1688940/posts
A Culture Shaped By Natural Disasters (Thera/Akrotiri)
Kathimerini | 1-16-2007 | Christos Doumas
Posted on 01/16/2007 6:33:09 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1768593/posts
Sinai pumice linked to ancient eruption [...not!]
Yahoo | Monday, April 2, 2007 | Katarina Kratovac w/ contrib by Nicholas Paphits
Posted on 04/07/2007 12:08:27 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1813465/posts
The wave that destroyed Atlantis [Destroyed by a giant tsunami?]
BBC On-Line | Friday, 20 April 2007 | Harvey Lilley
Posted on 04/22/2007 5:53:44 AM PDT by yankeedame
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1821546/posts
How Old Tree Rings And Ancient Wood Are Helping Rewrite History
Science Daily | 10-27-2007 | Cornell University
Posted on 10/28/2007 2:05:05 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1917591/posts
Layers of mystery: Archaeologists look to the earth for Minoan fate
Worcester Telegram & Gazette | Sunday, October 28, 2007 | Judy Powell
Posted on 11/03/2007 11:04:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1920708/posts
Did a Tsunami Wipe Out a Cradle of Western Civilization?
Discover Magazine | 01.04.2008 | Evan Hadingham
Posted on 01/15/2008 11:53:15 AM EST by forkinsocket
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1954101/posts
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