Er, 10 Gateway Arches on top of one another would be 6,300 feet tall ! It's 630 feet, not 70.
Posted on 08/23/2006 5:58:47 PM PDT by blam
Santorini eruption much larger than originally believed
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Santorini eruption much larger than originally believed; likely had significant impact on civilization
KINGSTON, R.I. – August 23, 2006 – An international team of scientists has found that the second largest volcanic eruption in human history, the massive Bronze Age eruption of Thera in Greece, was much larger and more widespread than previously believed.
During research expeditions in April and June, the scientists from the University of Rhode Island and the Hellenic Center for Marine Research found deposits of volcanic pumice and ash 10 to 80 meters thick extending out 20 to 30 kilometers in all directions from the Greek island of Santorini.
“These deposits have changed our thinking about the total volume of erupted material from the Minoan eruption,” said URI volcanologist Haraldur Sigurdsson.
In 1991 Sigurdsson and his URI colleague Steven Carey had estimated that 39 cubic kilometers of magma and rock had erupted from the volcano around 1600 B.C., based on fallout they observed on land. The new evidence of the marine deposits resulted in an upward adjustment in their estimate to about 60 cubic kilometers. (The eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia in 1815 is the largest known volcanic eruption, with approximately 100 cubic kilometers of material ejected.)
An eruption of this size likely had far-reaching impacts on the environment and civilizations in the region. The much-smaller Krakatau eruption of 1883 in Indonesia created a 100-foot-high tsunami that killed 36,000 people, as well as pyroclastic flows that traveled 40 kilometers across the surface of the seas killing 1,000 people on nearby islands. The Thera eruption would likely have generated an even larger tsunami and pyroclastic flows that traveled much farther over the surface of the sea.
“Given what we know about Krakatau, the effects of the Thera eruption would have been quite dramatic,” said Carey, a co-leader of this year’s expeditions. “The area affected would have been very widespread, with much greater impacts on the people living there than we had considered before.”
Thera has erupted numerous times over the last 400,000 years, four of which were of such magnitude that the island collapsed and craters were formed. Some scientists believe the massive eruption 3,600 years ago was responsible for the disappearance of the Minoan culture on nearby Crete. Others link the eruption to the disappearance of the legendary island of Atlantis.
While investigating the seafloor around Santorini, the scientists explored the submarine crater of the Kolumbo volcano, just 5 kilometers from Thera and part of the same volcanic complex, and discovered an extensive field of previously unknown hydrothermal vents. Using remotely operated vehicles from the Institute for Exploration, the scientists recorded gases and fluids flowing from the vents at temperatures as high as 220 degrees Centigrade.
“Most of the known vents around the world have been found on the mid-ocean ridges in very deep water and in areas where there are geologic plate separations,” Sigurdsson explained. “The Kolumbo and Santorini volcanoes are in shallow water at plate convergences, the only place besides Japan where high-temperature vents have been found in these conditions.”
“The high temperature of the vents tells us that the volcano is alive and healthy and there is magma near the surface,” added Carey.
The scientists said that, in addition to fluids and gases, the vents are emitting large quantities of metals, including silver, which precipitate out to form chimneys on the crater floor up to 10 feet tall and 2 to 4 feet wide. The floor of the crater is covered in a layer of red and orange mats of bacteria 2 to 3 inches thick that live on the nutrients in the vent fluids. Bacteria also cover the vent chimneys, and 4- to 5-inch long, hair-like bacterial filaments extend from the chimneys making them “look like hairy beasts, like woolly mammoths,” according to Sigurdsson.
The expedition was part of a longer research cruise led by National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence Robert Ballard, a URI oceanography professor and president of the Institute for Exploration, which included a search for Bronze Age shipwrecks in the Black Sea and a survey of the seafloor in the Sea of Crete. Additional details can be found at www.uri.edu/endeavor/thera or www.oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/06blacksea/.
The research expeditions were funded in large part by the National Science Foundation, with additional support from the NOAA Office of Ocean Exploration, the Rhode Island Endeavor Program, the Institute for Exploration, and the National Geographic Society. The April expedition was conducted aboard the Greek research vessel Aegaeo, while the June cruise was aboard the URI vessel Endeavor.
Live video of the June expedition was broadcast over the internet 24 hours a day by Immersion Presents, which also broadcast four, 30-minute live programs each day to museums, school districts, science centers and Boys and Girls Clubs featuring Sigurdsson, Carey and Ballard.
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The end of Atlantis?
One big bang!
Just Mother Nature's way of adjusting for global warming...
Does this mean that some of the previous eruptions were even more explosive than the last major eruption?
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Santorini is a strange place. You get off the ship and drive up switchbacks to the top of a high cliff. Then you drive on what seems to be a perfectly level road to the other side of the island, where you run into a beach. IT has to be some sort of illusion, but it seems like the ocean is at different levels on different sides of the island. Like all Greek islands, it’s close to paradise for travelers.
The stuff just looked for and found on the sea floor would date to those large prehistoric and very ancient massive eruptions. I think the caldera seen today formed in an eruption over 100,000 years ago. There isn't any evidence for an eruption in historical times (and by historical, I include the Minoan/Mycenaean use of Linear A and Linear B, and cuneiform users in Anatolia) until circa 200 BC.
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New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289 | 13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
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I am quite skeptical that it was the fireworks for the Exodus . . .
Sometimes God uses natural phenomena and features. Sometimes He doesn't. I think the Exodus was super special to Him and that much of the time, He used other than natural stuff.
imho, of course.
I'm not the least bit impressed with the Nat Geo special on the topic.
The History Channel . . . hmmm. Does Nat Geo have one, too? Or was I merely confusing the two sources?
Ahhhh. Thanks.
[[BTW, I had you down as a tentative on the UFO ping list. Went ahead and put you in. If you want off it, please let me know. Oh, and, have you noticed an increased . . . something . . . in such programs on TV recently? They seem to be paying persistent attention to the volcano in Mexico]]
Last year I became a believer in the theory that a natural disaster in 535 A.D. caused the Dark Ages. For me the clincher came when I read a book on the Mayans that was too old for the authors to know anything about the theory, and they reported that the city of Tikal left NO historical records between the years 534 and 593. The most likely culprit for the disaster is a Southeast Asian volcano like Krakatoa or Tambora; any idea how much ash and rock it would have sent into the atmosphere?
There's also a theory that Mt. Toba, a really big volcano on Sumatra, erupted during the ice age, and the resulting "nuclear winter" killed off everyone, except for a few thousand Neanderthals. I don't know about that, but if Mt. Toba blows in our lifetime, it's safe to say that we'll never have to worry about global warming again!
That's what I was thinking.
It does make sense. If Pato or the ones who told him the story of Atlantis were off a few thousand years, then that would put the eruption on Santorini right in the time frame for the destruction of Atlantis.
It just makes sense.
If only the Greek government would permit an archeological research in the area. There may be lots to find underwater near Santorini.
What of the strength of Toba (~75,000 years ago)? I thought that was bigger still.
I was taught that the miracles all have scientific explanations. The miracle wasn't the events themselves, but that they occurred at the exact right time to be useful. You're free to agree or disagree.
Never mind Toba... I've read and seen a few items recently that there is a potential supervolcano under Yellowstone, just waiting to go.
Toba was the last Super Volcano to blow it's top.
It has been determined that the Yellowstone super volcano erupts about every 600,000 years. It has been 640,000 year since it last erupted. Ahem, prepare now.
I do not think one can.
Yup, six years of a 'nuclear winter' when nothing will grow is hard to prepare for.
My plan is to move north and search for animals that have starved to death and were frozen stiff where they fell and then eat them. I will get real cold in a lot of places real fast.
Good plan. Do you have a link to the fallout map for the yellowstone calderra? I saw it on one of your previous threads.
No. It's lost on one of the earlier threads.
I think that either way (volcano or no), the events of the exodus was a supernatural event. The specific details do not to me make a difference in seeing God's in it. But I just don't see that the dates match. 1600 BC for the Santorini eruption is earlier than most dates I've seen for the exodus.
Velokovsky said the Exodus was sponsored by the volcanic eruption. A lot changed for civilization right then.
100,000 years ago? Are you sure? I heard they had archeological digs going on at the island and were discovering the ruins of life there a la Pompei.
Velokovsky said the Exodus was sponsored by the volcanic eruption. A lot changed for civilization right then.No, he didn't, but he discussed (and dismissed) a 19th c work, "Mount Sinai a Volcano".
100,000 years ago? Are you sure? I heard they had archeological digs going on at the island and were discovering the ruins of life there a la Pompei.The ruins of Akrotiri have been excavated on the island, but that hasn't much to do with the formation of the caldera, apart from showing that the caldera was already there when the town was built. :')
have you noticed an increased . . . something . . . in such programs on TV recently? They seem to be paying persistent attention to the volcano in MexicoI had not seen that.
Er, 10 Gateway Arches on top of one another would be 6,300 feet tall ! It's 630 feet, not 70.
Earth in Upheaval, Ages in Chaos, or the other one I forget the title right now goes into the volcano idea at length. Pillar of Smoke, plagues on Egypt, all that.
Last year I became a believer in the theory that a natural disaster in 535 A.D. caused the Dark Ages. For me the clincher came when I read a book on the Mayans that was too old for the authors to know anything about the theory, and they reported that the city of Tikal left NO historical records between the years 534 and 593. The most likely culprit for the disaster is a Southeast Asian volcano like Krakatoa or Tambora; any idea how much ash and rock it would have sent into the atmosphere?That theory would be from David Keys' book. I don't have a whole lot of use for his eventual culprit, because of the worldwide distribution of the supposed darkness.
There's also a theory that Mt. Toba, a really big volcano on Sumatra, erupted during the ice age, and the resulting "nuclear winter" killed off everyone, except for a few thousand Neanderthals. I don't know about that, but if Mt. Toba blows in our lifetime, it's safe to say that we'll never have to worry about global warming again!That's another popular one, but again, I don't have much use for alleged supereruptions, despite my catastrophist orientation. :')
I'd love to see a wall of water that size-from the safety of an airplane or helicopter, quite a bit higher!
That's a reasonable conjecture.
My biases just tend toward otherwise, much to most of the time.
It's probably safe to say that Moses on the mountains involved some natural lava, fire, brimstone.
But then Scripture characterizes God Himself as causing the mountains to melt. I don't think we know what that means in all cases.
Ahhhh.
I have been thrilled by the discovery of chariot wheels etc. on the Sinai side of the crossing across the RED sea.
The old notion that they crossed the REED sea during a nice hot wind storm was so laughable. Right, Pharoah and all his armies and horses drowned in 4 inches of water! Grope, grope.
Thought this thread might be of interest to you.
I !THINK! Las Vegas Dave has a similar impression of a slight or better tweaking up of various subtle levels of disclosure in the UFO field in recent months. More programs airing and reairing and another level of detail being disclosed. But I need to ask him if that's his perspective.
The bit about the ET's paying a lot of attention to the Mexico City area volcano is just sort of recalling in gestalt fashion all the mentions of such in the news over the last several years.
Yes, V discusses the "Mount Sinai a Volcano" book (which at first actually sounds reasonable, pillar of fire by night, pillar of cloud during the day), the author of which hiked all over the Sinai and elsewhere trying to find a volcanic peak as a candidate. He failed.
Velikovsky's Planets in Collision hypothesis finally bit the dust when the Venera series of Venus landers found no oil on Venus. I had already decided against the wandering planets because there appears to be no mechanism for Mars, earth and Venus to have been flying around in wild orbits so recently and then to be in fairly circular orbits now.
Oddly enough, the open side of the caldera (IOW, the part that collapsed and caused the supposed wave) points right toward the Greek mainland -- home of the Mycenaeans who succeeded the Minoans in their old trade routes and lands, including Crete. Seems a little strange, doesn't it? It will until the idea of a super-eruption and tsunami in historical times is abandoned. :')
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