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Chuck Baldwin doesn't believe Bush should attend the Olympics. FDR snubbed the Berlin games to send a message to the NAZIS, and here the Butchers of Beijing have put to death millions, are increasing the persecution of dissidents as the games approach, have created files on and are promising to spy on foreign journalist, and crack the whip on any who dare to to publish criticisms of them. Bush is afraid of "offending the people of China." But, says Chuck, he will only offend their leaders, and meanwhile, he is offending millions of freedom lovers around the world for giving legitimacy to this regime. Shame on you, Mr. Bush! says Baldwin.

With all that in mind, I have to agree. And what about the millions of poor China pushed out into the wilderness months ago, so they wouldn't be seen? And the factories they've closed in an area as large as Italy, France, Germany and Spain (approximate) just months ago, to stay that way through the Olympics (NO work for six months for ALL those people), just so they can prove to the world that communism/socialism is an environmentally sound way of life! Too bad about all those people out of work though, heh?

But this is all par for the course for Bush, he worships 'free' trade, and so long as there is a growing movement toward private ownership of property in China, who cares about all the other human right, you know, the ones that really define a person, that reach down into their soul and find expression in their families, and friends, and worship, and speech and freedom to criticize and correct the hand of oppression, and to organize private associations of like minded people.

Just this week again, we read in the WSJ of "trouble-makers" going to labor camps in China for taking pictures of the schools in rubble, and for continuing to complain, find answers, seek justice, for the deaths of thousands of children (and in each case, their only child).

Bush is going after Iran and Iran ... when the greatest growing threat in the world is in China. China he embraces like a dear friend.

1 posted on 08/04/2008 10:05:24 AM PDT by average american student
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The problen here is that he would trash Bush whether he goes to china or not, with equally persuasicve arguments.

To a liberal hypocracy is not a bad thing


2 posted on 08/04/2008 10:09:15 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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I hope this trip goes better than his last trip to Saudi Arabia.


3 posted on 08/04/2008 10:09:40 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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Pay no attention to China.

Even though they have killed more American citizens post WWII than any other country. Either coming over the hills in Korea, or aiding, supplying and supporting the NVA in Vietnam.

1980’s communism is an evil empire, 2000’s communism is good for business.

4 posted on 08/04/2008 10:10:36 AM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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I’ll leave it to Dubya to decide if he goes or not. I’m behind him either way.


5 posted on 08/04/2008 10:11:48 AM PDT by Liberty 275 (Do. Not. Want. Barack. Obama.)
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when the greatest growing threat in the world is in China

How exactly is China a greater threat to the world as opposed to Iran and North Korea?

All you mentioned was the suppression of Chinese citizens. That is typical of totalitarian regimes... they kill their own people. But you haven't said why China is a threat to the world...

6 posted on 08/04/2008 10:12:53 AM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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If the world wanted to protest China, it should never have allowed them to host the 2008 games.


8 posted on 08/04/2008 10:13:45 AM PDT by LetsRok
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Seems I remember G.W. Bush saying he will stand up to the Chi-coms if elected president during the 2000 election season.
I also remember Bill Clinton saying he would stand up to the Chi-coms if elected president. Bill sold his soul to them for some money to help him get re-elected.
I expect these two McCain and Obamma Lamma to also kiss the chi=coms asses.


10 posted on 08/04/2008 10:15:02 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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“Bush said that it “would be an affront to the Chinese people” if he stayed away.”

But it will be an affront to the American people if you go, Mr. Bush.

Who do you work for, anyway?


11 posted on 08/04/2008 10:15:09 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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Well now, the President should snub the Olympics. China doesn't own the Olympics, it is the site and sponsor. The Olympics originally were to be non-political (until Jimmy Carter pulled the US team out of Moscow) and for amateur athletes, (until the US forced a change to allow professionals). It was an instrument to promote world peace through international sports. I have attended two and know first hand that as far as Olympic village is concerned, that ideal is fostered well.

I would say when the American public is ready to stop purchasing Chinese goods, and we find some way to buy back all the American economy that China owns, then maybe we should ask the President to stay away - but not before.

12 posted on 08/04/2008 10:17:34 AM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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Not so dear friend.

From what I’ve read, the arm twisting is behind closed doors and they’ve been responsive to the pressure to work on North Korea after Jimmy Carter p/o’ed them by nullifying their agreement on nukes with NoKo in the 1990’s (leading to the mess we got stuck with later).

So it’s not a grand and visible gesture, but it gives him bargaining power. And love him or not, this President knows how to force an opponent to yield.

I give as evidence the recent FISA vote in the Democratically controlled Congress, at the requirement of this Republican “lame duck” President.


13 posted on 08/04/2008 10:18:29 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for the Snow family. Tony was a blessing unto us all. We will miss him.)
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It would be hypocrisy for Bush NOT to attend. He and his father (as well as Bubba) have pushed China onto the world such that the rest of us have to live with it. I don’t know what the Bush’s find so wonderful about China and Mexico that they prefer them to their own country (allegedly the US), but they have hosed the rest of the world as a result.


22 posted on 08/04/2008 10:31:42 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Just remember this Dragon has teeth and will use them given the chance. They have made it clear that they want too be a superpower, heck they are.
Such a beautiful country wasted. Until we stop worrying about offending them and start doing to them what Reagan did to the U.S.S.R. then they will grow bolder.
If it is within our means to help the persecuted and we do not, then we will answer for it.
All this mealy-mouthing and cow-towing(sic) will achieve nothing. It shows weakness not diplomacy. When are certain leaders going to learn that some countries i.e China..Cuba..Russia..Mid-East (pick one) do not want to change. Reagan set the example just freaking follow it! Use sharp words and mean it! Show these guys there is no capitulation to their ways.
So i say instead of polishing the Dragon’s teeth lets sharpen our Eagle’s claws!
For those that do not believe China to be a world threat then do your research. They are everywhere and not vacationing!


26 posted on 08/04/2008 10:38:20 AM PDT by mkcc30 (Save a Whale.....Kill a Terrorist!)
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BOYCOTT the chicoms... been saying it here for two years... red chicoms are on this board to attack anyone calling them the commie trash that they are! Screw the chicoms... President Bush is wrong once again... as he is on illegal immigration.

LLS


28 posted on 08/04/2008 10:39:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... NOT communism!!!)
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Bush Trip to Beijing Shameful!

When your bank manager calls you in for a meeting, you had better go. ;)

32 posted on 08/04/2008 10:41:32 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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Carter, be it remembered, pulled the U.S. out of the Russian Olympics - and who suffered? The American athletes, many who had trained and dreamed a lifetime...and who would not get another chance.

I remember Bush saying, some time ago, that he didn't want to see our athletes punished -

But that aspect is being ignored.

Yeah, Carter was the better man - s/
oh dear, I just made myself sick...

34 posted on 08/04/2008 10:45:17 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terribly agitated)
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Stay outta Walmart


36 posted on 08/04/2008 10:47:25 AM PDT by woofie
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Chuckie drinks too much swampwater. He’d disagree with the President on just about any decision that the President makes.


42 posted on 08/04/2008 11:05:03 AM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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Oh, Chuck, take a valium and untwist your panties.


57 posted on 08/04/2008 12:11:17 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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Karl Rove is behind this. It’s a secret plan.

You see, no matter what George Bush does, the media will draw attention to it through their criticism. W’s going to China will ensure that the liberal media will open the curtain on China’s human rights history. Criticizing W for having such a tin ear with regards to the human cries for help from an impoverished Chinese citizenry.

Now, If George Bush were to stay away, he would be criticized unmercifully for turning a cold shoulder to China and putting an already tedious international relationship at greater risk by ignoring the olive branch China has extended to the world.

If W really is concerned about China’s human rights record, thin about it, hell, his own reputation doesn’t matter. The media isn’t going to laud him for anything, might as well put the media’s energetic hatred of all things Bush to good use.

(Personally, I am disappointed in the President’s decision in this case.)


77 posted on 08/04/2008 12:31:56 PM PDT by Hatteras
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Chuck Baldwin? Leading an international anti-Communist crusade? I thought he was an isolationist?

Oh right, that's only when Israelis are involved.

80 posted on 08/04/2008 12:35:07 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Eykhah yashevah vadad ha`ir rabbati `am, hayetah ke'almanah . . .)
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