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Hurricane Ike Live Thread III
NOAA/NHC ^ | 12 September 2008 | NOAA/NHC

Posted on 09/12/2008 5:12:09 AM PDT by NautiNurse

Large and dangerous Hurricane Ike approaching the Upper Texas coast. Mandatory evacuations began in earnest Thursday as an estimated one million coastal residents headed inland. There were widespread reports of gas stations running out of fuel.

The National Weather Service posted dire storm surge predictions of 20-25 ft storm surge along the coast and bay heads. Hurricane warnings covered a 400 mile swath of the Gulf of Mexico.

Wholesale gasoline prices spiked 30 percent Thursday, or nearly $1 a gallon, out of fear of what Ike might do.

Public Advisory Updated every 3 hours

Discussion Updated every 6 hours

Buoy data: Western Gulf of Mexico

Forecast Models

Houston/Galveston Long Range Radar
Corpus Christi Long Range Radar
Brownsville Long Range Radar
Lake Charles Long Range Radar

Ike
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Lat/Lon No Lat/Lon Short Long
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Dvorak Dvorak Dvorak Dvorak
JSL JSL JSL JSL
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Funktop Funktop Funktop Funktop
Rainbow Rainbow Rainbow Rainbow

Additional Resources:

Navy Tropical Cyclone
Storm Pulse Very cool site

KHOU Houston
ABC 13 News Houston
FOX News Houston

KPLC Lake Charles
KFDM 6 Beaumont/Port Arthur
KKBMT 12 Beaumont
KRIS-TV Corpus Christi
KZTV Corpus Christi

Brazoria County Emergency Management
Galveston County Emergency Management
Chambers Country Emergency Management
Liberty County Emergency Management

Category Wind Speed Barometric Pressure Storm Surge Damage Potential
Tropical
Depression
< 39 mph
< 34 kts
    Minimal
Tropical
Storm
39 - 73 mph
34 - 63 kts
    Minimal
Hurricane 1
(Weak)
74 - 95 mph
64 - 82 kts
28.94" or more
980.02 mb or more
4.0' - 5.0'
1.2 m - 1.5 m
Minimal damage to vegetation
Hurricane 2
(Moderate)
96 - 110 mph
83 - 95 kts
28.50" - 28.93"
965.12 mb - 979.68 mb
6.0' - 8.0'
1.8 m - 2.4 m
Moderate damage to houses
Hurricane 3
(Strong)
111 - 130 mph
96 - 112 kts
27.91" - 28.49"
945.14 mb - 964.78 mb
9.0' - 12.0'
2.7 m - 3.7 m
Extensive damage to small buildings
Hurricane 4
(Very strong)
131 - 155 mph
113 - 135 kts
27.17" - 27.90"
920.08 mb - 944.80 mb
13.0' - 18.0'
3.9 m - 5.5 m
Extreme structural damage
Hurricane 5
(Devastating)
Greater than 155 mph
Greater than 135 kts
Less than 27.17"
Less than 920.08 mb
Greater than 18.0'
Greater than 5.5m
Catastrophic building failures possible

Previous Threads:
Hurricane Ike Live Thread II
Hurricane Ike Live Thread I
TS Hanna, Hurricane Ike & TS Josephine [Other than that, the tropics are calm]
Tropical Storms Hanna, Ike and Josephine, TD Gustav (Other than that, the tropics are calm)


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: Louisiana; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arkansas; california; crude; desiel; drill; flordia; florida; galveston; gasoline; gulf; hurricane; ike; louisiana; offshore; oil; oklahoma; prices; refineries; rigs; storm; texas; weather
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To: Red_Devil 232
No power ... then the service stations can't pump gas!

Yes, they can. It just takes a bit of ingenuity. Although today's electronic metering may make it more difficult.

Long ago, we were without power for over a week on the Gulf Coast of Texas. The gas stations removed the belt from the electrically-driven pump and substituted a longer belt that ran to a gas-driven lawn edger.

To pump gas, the operator simply leaned back on the edger to tighten the belt.

541 posted on 09/12/2008 10:09:27 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: Frapster

Texas Tech: HWY 84 south to Pinkies for more beer.


542 posted on 09/12/2008 10:09:45 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Unlikely Hero

Head on out. This isn’t just over hyped - it is a monster storm headed right at you. Unless you are EMS or emergency personnel the rescuers don’t need another able bodied stubborn person to rescue later.


543 posted on 09/12/2008 10:10:42 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: Centurion2000; All

Guess who will get blamed when many die from this since Americans are dumb.....the Republicans.

Say hello to President Obama.


544 posted on 09/12/2008 10:11:45 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: dirtboy

In my experience, they over-forecast storms.

I’ll repeat my earlier comment: none of us is able to judge another’s prospects for safety by reading about it on line. There are too many variables unknown to us.


545 posted on 09/12/2008 10:13:48 AM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: rwfromkansas

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546 posted on 09/12/2008 10:13:59 AM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Unlikely Hero
Dude, I live in Tampa. When Ike passed us 300 miles away we had a 4' storm surge for 2 days. Water was flowing over seawalls along bayshore drive at hight tide. Our surge matched the 'experimental' surge data at the time posted on weather undergound so imo their model is good. That model is now calling for up to a 30' surge in parts of Houston.

I don't know your area but I wouldn't want to deal with it or have a 'last min' evac situation and wreck my car on road debris or an accident -or worse in the middle of the night. It's just common sense. Like someone else said, they'll be talking about this storm 100 years from now. If nothing else get us some good pics will ya?!

547 posted on 09/12/2008 10:14:29 AM PDT by Justa (The media lied while Americans died.)
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To: CedarDave

One of the things I enjoyed most—seeing Shep Smith blown off his feet and rolling down the street in Beuamont during Rita.


548 posted on 09/12/2008 10:15:08 AM PDT by lonestar (Jasper)
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To: DollyCali

I don’t know if you can do this link. It’s a webcam from the FOXNews site. There’s two cams. Scroll across to the second one showing the shoreline. Look at how the picture is shaking. From the waves hitting it, no doubt.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?chanId=3


549 posted on 09/12/2008 10:15:26 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: spectre

President Bush needs to get on national TV now and say you really need to evacuate.

This is serious.....we will lose if this ends up being seen as another Katrina.

More importantly, by doing this he could help save lives.


550 posted on 09/12/2008 10:15:56 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: NautiNurse
Amazing. Poor people.

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551 posted on 09/12/2008 10:16:46 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Is He the one?)
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To: Unlikely Hero
Tampa Bay area had flooding from Ike, while the storm was 400 miles away.

Tampa Bay flooding is proof of Ike's destructive power

552 posted on 09/12/2008 10:16:54 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Palin won more votes in her Wasilla Mayoral race than Biden got in his 2008 Pres run)
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To: Romulus
Do you think this storm is 'over-forecast'? If so, I'd like to hear why you think that.
553 posted on 09/12/2008 10:17:17 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: dfwgator

“The surge is ahead of the storm, so it doesn’t matter how intense the storm is when it hits land. What matters is how strong the storm is hours before it hits land.”

RIGHT... there’s probably some kind of time-decaying integral taking into account pressure and area that should be applied ... That is probably published somewhere in the literature.


554 posted on 09/12/2008 10:17:17 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Romulus
In my experience, they over-forecast storms.

Are you even paying attention? They UNDERFORECAST the surge from Katrina. By 5-8 feet. People who thought they were high enough from the forecast was telling them died. And this storm has more kinetic energy associated with it than Katrina at her peak. Not only that, forecasters are calling this a freak storm. Which means they don't fully understand it. They might be overforecasting out of caution as a result. But the point it, they got Katrina wrong. Five feet of elevation is not a workable safety margin for this storm. IMO anyone in the map in post #51 who lives in a shaded area should get out. You are dicing with death if you don't.

I’ll repeat my earlier comment: none of us is able to judge another’s prospects for safety by reading about it on line.

Boy, that attituded really worked well in NOLA with Katrina, where over half the people who died had a car in their driveway.

555 posted on 09/12/2008 10:18:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rwfromkansas
It might be too late. If Houston takes a bad hit, then he is almost certain to get the blame since it's been advised people should just stay put and hunker down.

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556 posted on 09/12/2008 10:18:52 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Is He the one?)
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To: HoHoeHeaux; All
Fantastic site. Thanks.

The surge, the waves are going to be immense and overpowering, just like Cuba.

Galveston coast this am

The nightclub over the water, huge Balinese Room is falling apart, timbers underneath are collapsing in the powerful waves. I can see why.

God help anyone who's staying in Galveston.

557 posted on 09/12/2008 10:20:50 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: NautiNurse

One of the local news reporters is in the Surfside area. She said they have closed the roads, she also said that three people (idiots) are staying put. The sheriff told them to make sure to put identifying information on their bodies so he would know who they were.


558 posted on 09/12/2008 10:23:58 AM PDT by TheMom (Southwest Houston - near Sugar Land and Stafford)
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To: STARWISE
Ah, the Balinese; memorialized in song by ZZ Top...

Still hunkered down and waiting in NW Houston. The storm appears to be moving NW now; is the turn starting?

559 posted on 09/12/2008 10:24:12 AM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: arkady_renko

Regardless of the winds, the surge will be life-altering for this portion of the cost, likely life-ending.

People need to leave now.....the road will not be there much longer.


560 posted on 09/12/2008 10:24:19 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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