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LIVE THREAD- Bernanke, Paulson testify before Congress -23 Spetember 2008
C-Span ^ | 23 September 2008

Posted on 09/23/2008 5:19:04 AM PDT by SE Mom

When Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) gavels in the Senate Banking Cmte., he is expected to pro- pose changes to the Bush admin.'s $700 billion intervention in the financial markets. Witnesses include Sec. of Treasury Henry Paulson; Ben Bernanke, Chair of the Federal Reserve System; and others

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; bailout; bailouts; barneyfwank; bernanke; carter; clinton; congress; dodd; economicpolicy; fail; failout; financialcrisis; greenspan; inflation; paulson; pelosi; subprime; wallst; wallstreet
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To: kabar
Americans losing their jobs, retirement nest eggs, etc., is that a price that we as a nation are willing to pay?

I too am worried about that, but I am so curious as to why, why, why, if the above is a possibility would this Fannie and Freddie thing not been addressed before?

And if they really didn't expect it to be this bad, what exactly happened last week that they did not foresee?
241 posted on 09/23/2008 8:35:17 AM PDT by roses of sharon (The MSM vampires must die!)
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To: kabar

Most of our grandparents went through the ‘Great Depression’! Mine did ok(relatively speaking) because they were a self reliant bunch. It may be time for America to ‘rediscover’ that lost ‘art’. Just sayin.....


242 posted on 09/23/2008 8:38:44 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Afronaut
Looks like the Free Republic is being attacked again. (DNS?)It is a waste of time to sit and wait for 10 minutes for a reload.

The problem is internal, not external.

FR has been sluggish for months. Supposedly, new servers were added yesterday. JohnRob may still be tweaking, etc.

It is ridiculous, however. Every time we have a LIVE thread, FR slows to a snails pace or crashes.
243 posted on 09/23/2008 8:41:28 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SE Mom

Dodd, the “disgrace” chairing the committee he created when he stole the ten million, is the DemocRAT idea of a fox watching the hen house. Why the hell are the Republicans allowing these crooks and traitors a free pass, why are they not indicted for corruption. If and until these Senators have the will to prosecute one of their own then the entire Senate should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty. Do these arrogant “lords of disaster” have any fear of the people who vote them into these powerful positions that they maintain for decades and turn into their own private enrichment programs.


244 posted on 09/23/2008 8:42:38 AM PDT by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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To: brydic1

If I have to make a choice between seeing my stocks tank and seeing my dollars tank, I’ll take the former.


245 posted on 09/23/2008 8:43:24 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (America's never won a "war" unless the enemy was named using a proper noun.)
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To: AndyJackson
So, in your opinion they just let this go, la-de-da,...knowing they could get a bailout?

Or do you think something unusual or suspicious could have happened suddenly last week to cause this emergency?

Thanks!

246 posted on 09/23/2008 8:43:56 AM PDT by roses of sharon (The MSM vampires must die!)
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To: penelopesire

Most of our grandparents even if they lived in the cities weren’t too far removed from the farm and knew how to survive.

The only way people in the cities will survive is pillaging the country side for food. Many won’t survive if they try this.

Food comes from the grocery store and restaurants.


247 posted on 09/23/2008 8:43:57 AM PDT by listenhillary (Palin accomplished more in the PTA than Obama did as a community organizer)
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To: SE Mom

Paulson — with a straight face: “This all about the American taxpayer. The taxpayer is all we care about.”

[Yeh, right! It is all about the taxpayers coughing up $700 Billion for this and another $500 Billion the Dems are working on. That adds up to $1.2 Trillion, just in these 2 bills.]

Honestly, Mr. Paulson, we taxpayers can’t afford much more of YOUR kind of help.


248 posted on 09/23/2008 8:44:41 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: roses of sharon
I too am worried about that, but I am so curious as to why, why, why, if the above is a possibility would this Fannie and Freddie thing not been addressed before?

It was repeatedly by folks like Dole, Allard, McCain, Greenspan, etc., but the Dems blocked any changes in regulations and oversight. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have been used by the Dems to provide sinecures for folks like Raines, Johnson, Reno, Gorelick, etc. Althoiugh supposedly private, these institutions provided contributions to the Dems in Congress and to Dem related non-profits in the form of contributions. It was a large piggybank funding the Democrats. And as Dole mentioned, they spent over $100 million lobbying Congress. Political expediency and partisanship were more important that the welfare of the country.

And if they really didn't expect it to be this bad, what exactly happened last week that they did not foresee?

It actually started weeks ago. I think they didn't understand how extensive the impact would be in the US and globally. The entire world economy was affected. The whole house of cards could be brought down plunging this economy into something like the Great Depression. The fall of the credit markets would cost millions of Americans their jobs, wipe out their stock market holdings, and caused the real estate market to collapse.

249 posted on 09/23/2008 8:45:21 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: penelopesire
Shelby: Did you consider other proposals before brining us this one?

Pauslon: [Dear in the headlights act].

Shelby: What other proposals did you consider?

Paulson: Blah blay

Shelby: How do you justify bailing out the banks that caused the mess. I presume that they will profit from this bailout.

Paulson: I am also frustrated. But I am concerned about people's hard earned savinvs (violins start playing....)

250 posted on 09/23/2008 8:45:34 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: TomGuy

This is scary. I know Paulson is under enormous stress and pressure- but he is not giving me any confidence in his leadership OR his damn plan even working.


251 posted on 09/23/2008 8:46:37 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-McCain/Palin 08)
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To: roses of sharon
do you think something unusual or suspicious could have happened suddenly last week

This is the denoument of 20 years of increasingly large and sophisticated levels of self-dealing.

252 posted on 09/23/2008 8:47:41 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: kabar
If a bailout avoids the collapse of our economy and another Great Depression, I am for bailing them out in a responsible way.

Something we both agree on! :) My father (born in 23) still lives in fear of deflation. One winter, the coal he picked up along the railway was the only way he and his mom stayed warm. They couldn't even afford coal in KY.

253 posted on 09/23/2008 8:48:50 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: SE Mom
This guy is good.

Paulson - shocked when he arrived to discover the shoddy regulatory structure. Shocked, I tell you.

254 posted on 09/23/2008 8:49:23 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: kabar
If a bailout avoids the collapse of our economy and another Great Depression

Any action as large and as morally dubious as this bailout deserves due diligence. We're entitled to know if (1) it is necessary, and (2) it is sufficient.

So far, what we've heard is based on nothing but the say-so of those who will be given unlimited power. That's not enough evidence for me.

255 posted on 09/23/2008 8:49:41 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (America's never won a "war" unless the enemy was named using a proper noun.)
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To: kabar
If you want me to I can show you that it was BOTH parties not just the Democrats.

Quit the Republican Apologist role. Their hands are covered in the blood of this crisis.

256 posted on 09/23/2008 8:50:34 AM PDT by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: AndyJackson

Paulson - you taxpayers don’t want to be on the hook. Well guess what suckers. We’ve already got you on the hook.


257 posted on 09/23/2008 8:50:51 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: penelopesire
I don't think you really grasp what happened during the Great Depression. It has nothing to do with being self-reliant.

"The Great Depression was a worldwide economic downturn starting in most places in 1929 and ending at different times in the 1930s or early 1940s for different countries. It was the largest and most important economic depression in modern history, and is used in the 21st century as a benchmark on how far the world's economy can fall. The Great Depression originated in the United States; historians most often use as a starting date the stock market crash on October 29, 1929, known as Black Tuesday. The end of the depression in the U.S. is associated with the onset of the war economy of World War II, beginning around 1939."

The depression had devastating effects both in the developed and developing, largely still-colonized world. International trade was deeply affected, as were personal incomes, tax revenues, prices, and profits. Cities all around the world were hit hard, especially those dependent on heavy industry. Construction was virtually halted in many countries. Farming and rural areas suffered as crop prices fell by 40 to 60 percent.[2][3] Facing plummeting demand with few alternate sources of jobs, areas dependent on primary sector industries such as farming, mining and logging suffered the most.

Massive increases in deficit spending, new banking regulation, and boosting farm prices did start turning the U.S. economy around in 1933, but it was a slow and painful process. The U.S. had not returned to 1929's GNP for over a decade and still had an unemployment rate of about 15% in 1940 — down from 25% in 1933.

258 posted on 09/23/2008 8:50:51 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: SE Mom; Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

You know what I don’t get? Why is it that Sec. Paulson can testify that the regulatory system didn’t fit the model, but he can’t testify that “hey, you guys effed-up.”

Is it fear of congressional retaliation?


259 posted on 09/23/2008 8:52:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kabar
-------------The real question is what are the consequences to not bailing out these institutions? I am not a financial expert, but if the consequences are a collapse of our capital markets resulting in millions of Americans losing their jobs, retirement nest eggs, etc., is that a price that we as a nation are willing to pay?---------------

Good question. Pence is suggesting a different approach, Oppose Bailout. From the article, he quotes Sebastian Mallaby :

Within hours of the Treasury announcement Friday, economists had proposed preferable alternatives. Their core insight is that it is better to boost the banking system by increasing its capital than by reducing its loans. Given a fatter capital cushion, banks would have time to dispose of the bad loans in an orderly fashion. Taxpayers would be spared the experience of wandering into a bad-loan bazaar and being ripped off by every merchant.

One suggestion is to suspend capital gain taxes for a period of time to encourage investment.
260 posted on 09/23/2008 8:53:17 AM PDT by Girlene
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