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McCain meets Obama, gets no job offer...[NOTE: GOP Turnout numbers]
LA TIMES ^ | 11-17-08 | Malcolm

Posted on 11/17/2008 5:42:10 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com

Well, we know John McCain is unlikely to be named Barack Obama's White House chief of staff since Rahm Emanuel is already there, talking nice and cutting throats in true Chicago style.

But the meeting of the recent rivals in the Windy City did seem to go well today, at least in public. Which is what really matters in all this symbolic hoo-haa of a new administration's formation.

This meeting was briefly public, very public, with a trio of U.S. flags to prove it in Obama's downtown Chicago transition office. As opposed to the president-elect's more recent secretive meetings with Hillary Clinton and Bill Richardson as he seeks under the guidance of John Podesta to rebuild the Clinton administration as part of all the promised Obama change to believe in. [snip]

As Karl Rove pointed out in his Wall Street Journal column last week, 4.1 million fewer Republicans bothered to vote for their party's presidential candidate Nov. 4 than in 2004, 2.7 million fewer veterans (even for a fellow vet) and 4.1 million fewer regular church-goers.

Even in Ohio, without which Republicans do not win the White House, Obama got 32,000 less votes than John Kerry did in 2004. But McCain did worse, getting 360,000 fewer Republican votes there than George W. Bush, thus losing the crucial state by a decisive 206,000 ballots.

Such internal numbers have quietly and quickly created a GOP cadre of believers that the Nov. 4 results were less an Obama win, despite his modest but cumulatively decisive gains in numerous voter sectors, and more a McCain loss among true GOP believers. They switched sides this time or, worse, stayed home, despite the initially explosively successful gesture toward conservatives of picking Sarah Palin as his VP.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bho2008; mccain; obamatransitionfile; podesta; rahm; snub
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To: what's up

Very possible.


21 posted on 11/17/2008 5:57:29 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Just goes to show Democrat Light can’t beat Democrat Super Leaded.


22 posted on 11/17/2008 5:58:02 PM PST by Marcella (One Democrat lost, one Democrat won.)
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To: jveritas

these “so-called” conservatives who stayed home and let this atrocity happen should be banned from FR...period.

I don’t care how much McCain bashing they want to do. McCain is not a Marxist, he loves America, and he picked as his VP a person who could ignite the base long after his days at the WH would be over. There is no excuse for those conservatives who stayed home.

(1) When we leave Iraq without victory, I’ll remember
(2) When our taxes go up, I’ll remember
(3) When the Stock Market declines further, I’ll remember
(4) When the Gov’t takes over 401K’s, I’ll remember
(5) When we wave the white flag of surrender, I’ll remember
(6) When born-alive babies from botched abortions are murdered, I’ll remember

and when 2012 rolls around and millions more Americans are getting welfare checks and accustomed to looking to government for their living, I hope you’ll learn that this will not be another 1980, no matter how bad it gets economically, domestically, socially, and foreign policy-wise. If it did, we’d have Republican leadership in states like MI, MD, MA, NY, and CA. But despite their woes, they STILL vote Democrat.

A couple days ago I posted the outlook for the 2010 Senate Elections. If we don’t start now, the possibility of the Democrats getting up to 65 seats is very likely (and this doesn’t even include RINOs). Now I ask you, are we going to sit on the sidelines again, or are we going to finally find some people who can articulate and defend conservative values?


23 posted on 11/17/2008 5:59:19 PM PST by parksstp (For the first time in my adult life I am truly ashamed to be an American)
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To: Chet 99
Yes and I did not expect that on the national level this will amount to millions of Republicans staying home. I was so wrong in my calculations and predictions because I did not take in consideration the stay home Republicans.
24 posted on 11/17/2008 6:00:16 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Old Sarge

> For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American

Profoundly saddened to read this, and it speaks volumes particularly as I know the hi-quality of American that owns this tagline.

The next task is to ensure that this next four years of infamy is but a blip in what has been a wonderful American legacy.


25 posted on 11/17/2008 6:00:23 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Wegotsarah.com
McCain meets Obama, gets no job offer.
Just making sure he's gonna have 60 votes if one of the recounts fails.
26 posted on 11/17/2008 6:01:31 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Missed Rove’s column.

The numbers reinforce my belief that McCain lost because he did not have the ground game.

He did not have enthusiasm until he brought The Governor on board and then it was too late.

Move the convention up three months.
We need that time to present our candidates in person to everyone in America without going through the media.


27 posted on 11/17/2008 6:01:31 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: RetiredArmy

Where are the people like you running for public office? I vote for RetiredArmy!


28 posted on 11/17/2008 6:01:57 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: I see my hands

LOL... :) I will keep my cool. We are not liberals who got depressed because we lost. We lost this time we will try to win the next time or the time after that. In a democracy one party cannot win all the time, and we lost in 2008 largely because millions of our side stayed home. In the meanwhile, we will fight for our principles and our believes in the Greatness of our beloved America. Before everything else, we are American Patriots.


29 posted on 11/17/2008 6:05:22 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: parksstp

mccain made many mistakes. But the conservatives who didn’t vote for him are just as blameworthy for Obama’s victory.


30 posted on 11/17/2008 6:05:25 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: bigbob

Clever, naturally she would stay in Alaska but he would get a few points out of it.


31 posted on 11/17/2008 6:05:31 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: jveritas
"I refused to believe that Republicans will stay home on Elections Day just to spite McCain and let Obama win. I was very wrong and I am so sad and so disappointed because they stayed home."

Yep...they all crawled out of the woodwork on Nov fifth spouting nonsense about Amnesty. It's so retarded...now there will be Amnesty plus no border security. Dems don't do border security.

Some of them think in four years there will be someone more conservative at the top of the ticket after some silly punishment. They don't seem to understand that a Dem President with an extremely Dem Congress will move the entire country of laws to the left further and it will never go back.

They think like the moonbats...that the President can dictate everything and can wave a magic wand to make all the bad laws disappear. I'm guessing half of them don't even know who is running things in the Congress.

32 posted on 11/17/2008 6:05:41 PM PST by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Old Sarge

They have broken faith with their soldiers, and with their own laws and legacy. Willingly so.

Although this is true I haven’t accepted yet that I am ashamed to be an American. I’ve invested too much of my life in America to let the democrat swine take it away. I do not fear giving my life to save her from the godless one.


33 posted on 11/17/2008 6:05:54 PM PST by rj45mis
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To: Wegotsarah.com
Obama knows McCain can do more damage to the GOP where he's already at.
34 posted on 11/17/2008 6:05:56 PM PST by Mojave (http://www.americanbacklash.com/)
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To: jveritas

Did they stay home or did they go to the polls & vote for the zero? I know some Bush voters who did the later (yes, they are idiots).


35 posted on 11/17/2008 6:08:59 PM PST by I_like_good_things_too (Check the "Yes" box next to survival)
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To: what's up

Excellent point. Pew Research was touted as the closest to the mark, 6 points-—no one mentioned that Pew was always in double digits leading up to the election, and at 14 within days of the election.


36 posted on 11/17/2008 6:09:01 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com (WE WIN- WE HAVE SARAH, AND THEY DON'T!)
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To: Earthdweller

Yep-that damned ratchet effect that is bothering me so much. This wasn’t just another election and it was just the rats’ turn. It’s a sharp left for the whole nation which course we may never correct.


37 posted on 11/17/2008 6:09:10 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: Old Sarge

Old Sarge, you reminded me to change my tagline.

After a talking to last week by Big Brother (don’t ask), it occurred to me that I shouldn’t be ashamed to be an American and neither should you. We’re not the problem. It’s the 63,000,000 war-weary voters who think Government is the solution that we should be ashamed of. But it’s nothing that a good dose of conservative education can’t fix, but it takes a long, long, time.


38 posted on 11/17/2008 6:09:49 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: Old Sarge

“I regret you having to see the true face of the American Sheep, JV.

They have broken faith with their soldiers, and with their own laws and legacy. Willingly so.”

The only truly evil people in this fiasco are conservatives who deliberately gave the country to Obama in the hopes he’d wreck it, which would in turn bring about the rise of the next Reagan.

As you said, they betrayed the troops, the country, the PUMAs, their own children and grandchildren, and Sarah Palin, whose shocked, horrified face on election night I’ll never forget.

Those petulant, unpatriotic conservatives should’ve told Palin up front that they they were going to shaft her, so she wouldn’t have bothered campaigning her heart out for ungrateful, self-centered, destructive fanatics.

Our troops also deserved better, but you can’t reason with insane people.

The hell of it is, we likely won’t see Palin as our candidate in 2012, derectly as a result of the creeps who satayed home or voted for Obama. The media successfully painted her as a lightweight, and the conservative base cemented the perception by not bothering to vote for her. The GOP will probably run Huckabee or Romney, which will make Obama a two termer.

I know a top PUMA, and she said she’ll never again work with conservatives because they can’t be trusted. Way to go, losers. Brilliant.

All in all, an ugly, shameful disaster. Despite the fact that the media was totally in the tank for Obama, the Republicans still could have won if the conservative base had had the intelligence, honor, and patriotism to show up.

These people are no different from Code Pink and don’t deserve to be treated with even the tiniest amount of respect. They’re scum.


39 posted on 11/17/2008 6:10:15 PM PST by Thomas W.
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To: Wegotsarah.com

I thought about staying home early on, but came around, then was going to vote down ticket only, but Palin was the game changer. I’m glad I voted even though I knew my state would go blue. In my county, Obama won by 57 percent of the vote.


40 posted on 11/17/2008 6:11:23 PM PST by Aliska
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