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To: metmom

No, the disconnect is conflating the specific and idiotic claims of the I.D. movement with the idea that the universe itself was created by a omniscient entity.

Not all who believe that God created the universe believe in a “special” creation a few thousand years ago.

Not all who believe that God created the universe believe that I.D. is a scientific hypothesis, or that biological constructs are “irreducibly complex” and could not have formed by the mechanism that God usually uses to change living systems (evolution through natural selection of genetic variation) and as such God had and has to constantly tinker with his shoddy design.

I know why you would wish to conflate the two ideas, but in reality there is very little common ground.

For example both the Pope and I believe that God created the universe. Both the Pope and I believe that I.D. has nothing of value to contribute to the debate. Both the Pope and I believe that evolution is the means that God used and uses to change living systems. Neither the Pope nor I believe in the specific (and idiotic) claims of I.D..


38 posted on 02/09/2009 2:09:16 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream; metmom; GodGunsGuts

Soooo, first you claim evolutiuon IS intelligent design but can’t adequately explain why it is this should be hidden from children...

other than somehow you and your ilk alone are the great deciders of where science is or isn’t somehow separated from religion, philosophy (or anything else for that matter), even though no one has appointed YOU or your ilk the keepers of this somehow mystical boundary between science and all other things that threaten YOUR collective sensibilities...

or scientific definitions, the scientific method, etc.etc.etc.

...and of course while arguing religion should be kept out of science you keep injecting the Pope into your failed arguments time and time again.

Yup...disconnect followed by more disconnect.

Here’s a clue, the Pope would be most frank and forthcoming to children that evolution is indeed God’s intelligent design, and everyone but you seems to understand this.

And let me guess, your rebuttal will be some such thing about MY disjointed post?


41 posted on 02/09/2009 2:50:36 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream

So you think that the unguided random mutation, natural selection process of evolution is superior to God creating something?

If it’s *incompetent design* when it’s created, why is it a superior method when it just happens?

If the system is so flawed that it doesn’t qualify as intelligent design and that it’s idiotic, doesn’t that mean that evolution is just as idiotic? It’s all the same stuff we’re looking at. Evolution is a great explanation but design isn’t?


55 posted on 02/09/2009 4:35:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream

the disconnect is conflating the specific and idiotic claims of the Darwinian movement

There fixed it for you-


60 posted on 02/09/2009 5:10:33 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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