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1 posted on 04/21/2009 12:59:27 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The sun rules!


2 posted on 04/21/2009 1:02:22 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: neverdem

I saw that broadcast this morning.


3 posted on 04/21/2009 1:02:30 PM PDT by Sister_T (The Obama Administration = EPIC FAIL!)
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To: neverdem

This is like ‘Groundhog Day’. The enviroweenies did this circa 1970.


4 posted on 04/21/2009 1:03:06 PM PDT by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: neverdem

It all becomes clear when you realize that the left doesn’t care about the earth getting hot or cold. All the left cares about is getting energy under its control. That’s part of the larger goal - getting all forms of production under its control.
For further explanation, see the communist manifesto.


5 posted on 04/21/2009 1:05:55 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism is self-loathing despair)
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To: neverdem

The earth is some 4 billion years old. The reason life has only started to flourish lately is it has been so freaking cold for much of that history. Ice ages are not the best thing for life forms on this planet.


6 posted on 04/21/2009 1:06:45 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: neverdem
But global cooling does not seem to be on anyone's political agenda at the moment.

That is because there is no way to control people's behavior and obtain power by sounding the alarm about an advancing ice age. We can't force the sun to produce more heat, but we sure as hell can force people not to drive their cars or turn on their air conditioners.

7 posted on 04/21/2009 1:07:52 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Somebody stole my tagline)
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To: neverdem

With the possibility of a new ice age it’s a pity the Neanderthals, who were especially adapted to life during the ice age of 20,000 years ago, aren’t around to take advantage.


11 posted on 04/21/2009 1:28:08 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Worse than we could have imagined.)
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To: neverdem

Along with our quiet sun comes a very minor dip in visible light output, something like .02%.

Much more significant is a dip in far UV, about 6%.

We can see that our uppermost atmosphere has contracted a bit, since it is no longer being strongly ionized. Sat orbits are more stable, but tiny pieces of “space junk” stay aloft longer.

I’ve been looking for data on how that might effect more than hams and over-the-horizon radar propagation but I have not found much.

No question Earth is cooling, though, HADCRUT database clearly shows it and even Hansen can’t keep it out of the GISS data.


12 posted on 04/21/2009 1:31:13 PM PDT by DBrow
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Interesting..
13 posted on 04/21/2009 1:32:20 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: neverdem
"Climate change is coming in a much faster speed and much more devastating power that we ever thought," said Greenpeace Campaigner Thomas Henningsen.

Gamblers call this betting technique, doubling down.

15 posted on 04/21/2009 1:36:34 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: neverdem

In a minor Ice Age, the tropical will become temperate, the temperate will become arctic. The arctic will become frozen death. So as long as humanity moves towards the equator, everything should be fine. After the coming States revolution, I suggest we invade Mexico, Cuba and Central America. After all, who will stop a 100 million strong army.


16 posted on 04/21/2009 1:50:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: neverdem

So-called Planetary Climate Change is just the latest method for the control freaks to, well, control.


20 posted on 04/21/2009 3:20:54 PM PDT by Darwin Fish
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

22 posted on 04/21/2009 3:46:56 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Lady Thatcher)
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The earth is constantly being bombarded with cosmic rays, high-energy particles from exploding stars. The Svensmark Cosmic Ray Theory says that when these cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere, they help create clouds. An active sun strengthens a magnetic shield around the earth that lets fewer cosmic rays get through. If the sun is less active, more cosmic rays get through. And the more cosmic rays, the more clouds, and the cooler global temperatures will be.
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24 posted on 04/21/2009 6:42:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Thanks neverdem.
The earth is constantly being bombarded with cosmic rays, high-energy particles from exploding stars. The Svensmark Cosmic Ray Theory says that when these cosmic rays enter the Earth's atmosphere, they help create clouds. An active sun strengthens a magnetic shield around the earth that lets fewer cosmic rays get through. If the sun is less active, more cosmic rays get through. And the more cosmic rays, the more clouds, and the cooler global temperatures will be.
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25 posted on 04/21/2009 6:43:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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"If I tell you the world is going to end, I'll get on TV. If I tell you it's not, I probably won't," he explained.

Well......that certainly clarifies things.

To my surprise, Charles Osgood of CBS news did a story this morning on the Solar Minimum that we've been experiencing for the past few years. Of course he didn't mention that it was close to being designated as a Deep Solar Minimum but this was a first.

Not to change the subject but locally the fishermen and Opihi pickers are looking forward to a minus 0.3 low tide on Friday and a minus 0.4 low on Sunday. This has been happening more and more often for the past couple years; so much for rising sea levels in the N. Pacific region. If this keeps up, the only ones that will have to move are the Opihi.
27 posted on 04/21/2009 7:11:18 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: neverdem
"Most scientists and economists would agree that a moderate warming would probably be beneficial, and a cooling of a couple degrees would probably be very, very bad," Michaels said. "Remember that cooling it just a few degrees brings on an ice age, and that's quite a bit different than what would happen if you warmed it a few degrees."

Not really, Dr. Michaels.

Six steps to hell

"Also in Africa, Mount Kilimanjaro will be losing the last of its snow and ice as temperatures rise, leaving the entire continent ice-free for the first time in at least 11,000 years. The Alps, too, will be melting, releasing deadly giant landslides as thawing permafrost removes the "glue" that holds the peaks together. In the Arctic, temperatures will rise far higher than the one-degree global average, continuing the rapid decline in sea ice that scientists have already observed. This spells bad news for polar bears, walruses and ringed seals - species that are effectively pushed off the top of the planet as warming shrinks cold areas closer and closer to the pole."

"Indeed, it is the ecological effects of warming that may be most apparent at one degree. Critically, this temperature rise may wipe out the majority of the world's tropical coral reefs, devastating marine biodiversity. Most of the Great Barrier Reef will be dead."

"In the highly unlikely event that global warming deniers prove to be right, we will still have to worry about carbon dioxide, because it dissolves in the oceans and makes them more acidic. Even with relatively low emissions, large areas of the southern oceans and parts of the Pacific will within a few decades become toxic to organisms with calcium carbonate shells, for the simple reason that the acidic seawater will dissolve them. Many species of plankton - the basis of the marine food chain and essential for the sustenance of higher creatures, from mackerel to baleen whales - will be wiped out, and the more acidic seawater may be the knockout blow for what remains of the world's coral reefs. The oceans may become the new deserts as the world's temperatures reach 2C above today's."

"Two degrees may not sound like much, but it is enough to make every European summer as hot as 2003, when 30,000 people died from heatstroke. That means extreme summers will be much hotter still. As Middle East-style temperatures sweep across Europe, the death toll may reach into the hundreds of thousands. The Mediterranean area can expect six more weeks of heatwave conditions, with wildfire risk also growing. Water worries will be aggravated as the southern Med loses a fifth of its rainfall, and the tourism industry could collapse as people move north outside the zones of extreme heat."

(Which is an alternate view from Dr. Michaels soft-pedal, of course.)

31 posted on 04/23/2009 8:31:31 PM PDT by cogitator
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