Posted on 08/03/2010 4:48:22 AM PDT by theanchoragedailyruse
Everything seems to indicate that there has been a breakthrough in the investigation ws. Russian Tupolev Presidential disaster. During a test flight over the military airport in Smolensk, the Russians agreed that the radar showed the incorrect data. Our eastern neighbors did not want the Poles to give the report of the study.
Could it be approached with great strides Smolensk final determination of the causes of tragedy? If the Russian investigators all documents passed to the Poles for what they ask, perhaps national prosecutors would be able to unravel the mystery of the disaster. The investigation is in place, because the Russians fuss and do not want to cooperate.
During a test flight over the airfield in Smolensk Russian prokurtorzy discovered that the radar was broken. Defined the height of an airplane landing with an accuracy of only 300 meters. The auditors could therefore be given to the crew of the Tu-154M erroneous data.
"The fact he wrote that the information disclosed so sensational Edmund Klich (67 l.), accredited in Moscow when the committee investigating the reasons for the disaster Tupolev. Not only that. The Russians already have a test report, but the Polish investigators do not want him back. Has already sent a protest on this issue.
Klich betrayed "Gazeta Wyborcza" that the Russians had only showed him a report on the matter and then only after a great quarrel. "Fact" and has determined that the documents did not send our Moscow prosecutors today.
The key to the investigation material may not be too still insist the prosecutors, including These contain data about the state of the airport, and radar beacon. - The five applications for legal aid, or send the documents, the Russians realized half of one - tabloid says Rafal Rogalski Attorney, Agent families of victims of the disaster.
The above picture is the approach plate for Smolensk. There are two approaches that are fall in the 100x1000 min. An ILS and a Par (Rsp + CAP). The non-precision approaches are 100x1500. The DH was 60m. Now idiot, stay of these threads because you are a fraud.
Ahh another classic comment from someone who doesn’t know squat.
See above to get your lesson.
Please tell the world, how what in the world you just said means anything.
Please read carefully.
Radar had nothing to do with it. If you were a pilot you would know that. Pilot was flying an approach with a minimum altitude below which he was not authorized to descend. He descended way below that altitude trying to “sneak in under the weather.”
What happened to him is what happens to most pilots who try that repeatedly. They crash and kill all aboard.
Sorry, those are what are called “facts.”
Let me make this easy.
Pilot should not have been lower than 100 meters above the runway altitide.
He was over (then crashed into) a ravine flying at an altitide of 15 meters below the runway altitide.
He crashed. They all died.
Make “altitide” altitude. Spill chucker was off.... like your thought process...
ATC gave command to descend to DH of 50 meters. CAT 1 DH is what with a precision approach?
Make that height not altitude.
A typical Cat I DH is 200 feet AGL, but that has nothing to do with this case.
Pilot was not “cleared” to descend below whatever the DH or MDA was for the approach he was using. These MINIMUMS are exactly that, they are MINIMUMS below which he was not authorized to fly unless he had a clear view of the “runway environment” in view, (in other words, unless he had a clear view of the runway by looking out the window.)
These minimums do NOT come from ATC via radio. They are published on small charts, one for each type of approach to each runway, called Approach Plates. ATC cannot lower those minimums.
Here is a sample approach plate.
http://tiles.skyvector.com/sky/files/tpp/1008/pdf/00257IL9.PDF
It is for an ILS to Runway 9 at MIA, Miami International Airport. At the top of the Plate you can see that the TDZE is 7. That means that the touchdown zone of the runway is 7 feet above sea level.
Look at the bottom of the plate. You'll see the notation for the ILS “207/24 200(200-1/2)” That means that the DH for that approach to that runway is 207 feet above sea level on the barometric altimeter, or 200 feet above the 7 foot TDZE (200 feet above the ground.)
This is all meaningless in the Smolensk accident, however, because the aircraft was flying over (and crashed into) a ravine at an altitude of 15 feet BELOW the TDZE for the runway in question.
It's all rather simple, really.
The former Sovs can be bad boys, but despite what some Polish tabloid claims, this error was caused by pilot error, not the Russians.
There was no ILS at Smolensk. Only NBDs. A typical MDA would have been at least 500 feet above the TDZE. The pilot was 15 feet BELOW the TDZE.
In addition, the flight data recorder voice channels have multiple recordings of the automated voice driven by the radar altimeter loudly announcing “Low - Pull Up!” and “Terrain Ahead!” That automated voice is quite loud and unmistakable.
That has been confirmed by Polish investigators.
A good sim of the crash is shown at http://wyborcza.pl/1,75478,7761110,Tak_doszlo_do_tragedii.html
Notice that it was his 4th approach. The Commanding General of the Polish Air Force in the cockpit telling the pilot that he “had better find a way to land.”
A perfect recipe for a disaster.
There was no 4th approach. The CVR proved that.
If there was no ILS why is there an ILS indicated on the most current approach plates and no Notams issued telling otherwise?
Enough of your B.S. be gone.
“...A typical Cat I DH is 200 feet AGL, but that has nothing to do with this case.”
That would be 60 meters DH right? BTW You just stated previously the baro was QNH, the baro given to the pilot was QFE.
ST: 80.
2P: Go around.
Signal at F=400 Hz. (Decision height).
TAWS:PULL UP, PULL UP.
ST: 60.
Moreover idiot, I posted a picture of the Smolensk approach plate showing an ILS and PAR.
You are not a pilot, you have no understanding of aviation procedures, despite your claims to have been a “weatherman.”
You keep insisting that some other element caused the crash and using the Polish equivalent of the National Enquirer as your source, although every other source, especially those staffed by professional pilots and accident investigators agree it was a CFIT.
There is also a good chance you are a troll, simply here to try to discredit FR.
Finally, you are also rather rude, crude and exceptionally classless. If your parents are alive, they are probably very embarrassed by you, because you probably display this same boorish behavior offline as well. Of course, there is always the chance that you are a rather cowardly polite meek little man offline, and only display these clearly disturbed personality traits when you can hide behind the anonymousness of the Internet.
Because you are not worth further comment or consideration, you are now electronically shunned.
We have recommended you get professional help, but since you will not get it, the next best thing we can do is simply what everyone does with a foolish, unintelligent, attention-demanding boor.
We will ignore you.
This is about the fourth time you said you would ignore the threads.
Heed your own words, or I will notify the mods next time.
You are a fraud.
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