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World Net Daily fabricates a "Missile" Contrail tale
Faith, Reason, and Health ^ | 12/12/2010 | Dr. Brian Kopp

Posted on 12/12/2010 10:47:16 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: EternalVigilance

Nope.


201 posted on 12/12/2010 8:53:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

Well, maybe if you would start with the premise that in my opinion this never looked like anything but the contrail of a plance coming straight over the horizon towards the viewer, you would understand what you seem to be signally failing to comprehend from my posts.


202 posted on 12/12/2010 8:55:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The care of human life...is the first and only legitimate object of good government -- Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, maybe if you would start with the premise that in my opinion this never looked like anything but the contrail of a plance coming straight over the horizon towards the viewer,...

Thousands of others, including several former military pilots, a Brigadier General who commanded NORAD and the editor of Janes, disagree. Your semantic games notwithstanding.

203 posted on 12/12/2010 8:58:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
The second period is the half hour after the sun sinks below the horizon in the early evening...Direction: The light directly illuminates clouds from below. Everything else is in shadow.

Yeah, I don't dispute this. What my drawing shows is that it's possible for the sun to backlight a contrail at sunset, and this doesn't disagree with that. Finny seemed to be saying that the contrail had to be lit from underneath and my drawing shows that that isn't true.

Here is a what I said a couple posts later:

The viewer on the ground will of course see the underside of the contrail. My point, which I think my drawing gets across pretty clearly, is that it's possible for a contrail to be lit from behind by the sun. To be honest, it's hard to tell exactly how the light is hitting it since it's coming in at such a grazing angle. It's either from slightly above or from slightly below, but mostly it's from "end on" -- i.e. in a direction running almost parallel to its length. It also appears to be getting light on its northern flank in some pics.

204 posted on 12/12/2010 9:01:01 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
What my drawing shows is that it's possible for the sun to backlight a contrail at sunset, ...

Not at that particular hour which is exactly when the video and pics were taken. The sunlight can't be both above and below an airplane contrail.

205 posted on 12/12/2010 9:04:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Bush's Fault. /sarc>

(Sorry, somebody had to say it...)

Cheers!

206 posted on 12/12/2010 9:10:13 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TigersEye; Finny
"You might also be interested in this video analysis which shows a second contrail intersecting with the one we have been discussing all this time."

Good Grief!! Buy you books, send you to school, draw you pictures -- and you are still tossing up crap that I disproved long ago and over and over. Are you totally incapable of reading and learning?

That guy with the camera shot of his TV screen is talking about one of the "cross fades" or "cross wipes" that I show at :13, :29 and :33 here -- where I first exposed SeeBS's lie about their deceptively edited short film clips.

That is no second contrail. In a crossfade transtion, frames from two joined clips are simultaneously visible as they both pass through 50% transparency.

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All you did by pointing that stupid "video analysis" out is reinforcing the clear FACT that you "missile truthers" have been suckered by a SeeBS "sweeps week" LIE!

207 posted on 12/12/2010 9:11:04 PM PST by TXnMA (Hooptidoodle!!!)
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To: TigersEye

Okay, that’s fine. Like I said before, it’s hard to tell exactly what the light is doing. I’d have to do some calculations. And as I also said before, the lighting issue isn’t decisive.

Have you thought up a new argument against the Cargo Law pic yet — the one that shows the plane flying inland?


208 posted on 12/12/2010 9:22:02 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Unfortunately, I can no longer trust World Net Daily as a news source.

Better late than never.

209 posted on 12/12/2010 9:22:16 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

B?TW, thanks for trying to inject some sanity into this.


210 posted on 12/12/2010 9:23:47 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: DoorGunner
That is "illusion of speed" caused while the photographer is rapidly zooming in from a X-wide shot to a X-Long shot -- including a "focal length 'doubler'".

Doublers increase image size through "empty magnification": they spread the image out over a wide area -- leaving only a small section of image to cover the entire film frame (or digital image sensor). It appears much larger -- but actually reduces resolution by a factor of 4 (for a 2X doubler). No wonder Leyvas could not see the A.C (or "missile") -- he killed his lens' sharpness by using that doubler.

I have several K$ of Nikon 35mm gear. The only time I will use one of my "doublers" is when I MUST fill the frame of a color slide. Otherwise, I get better sharpness by enlarging the image while printing.

TANSTAAFL!

211 posted on 12/12/2010 9:24:53 PM PST by TXnMA (Hooptidoodle!!!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

So, the fact that the evidence proves it wasn’t a missile, Chinese or otherwise, doesn’t bother you?

And the fact that WND turned this guy’s article into a pro-missile piece doesn’tbother you?


212 posted on 12/12/2010 9:26:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Hardraade
Mr. Kopp, am I on one of your spamlists or something?

Yeah, you're on his ASW Chinook Ping List.

Classy as ever, I see.

213 posted on 12/12/2010 9:29:14 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: TigersEye
Thousands of others, including several former military pilots, a Brigadier General who commanded NORAD and the editor of Janes, disagree.

And yet, the overwhelming evidence clearly shows that this was an airplane contrail. Your semantic games notwithstanding.

214 posted on 12/12/2010 9:33:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The care of human life...is the first and only legitimate object of good government -- Jefferson)
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To: Hardraade; CodeToad

Ah, so Hardraade hasmoved from the ASW Chook to the cruise missile that sedately rise thousands of feet in the air.


215 posted on 12/12/2010 9:34:40 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Hardraade; CodeToad

Ah, so Hardraade hasmoved from the ASW Chinook to the cruise missile that sedately rise thousands of feet in the air.

You should work for Jane’s.


216 posted on 12/12/2010 9:35:39 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: TigersEye
Post ONE example of where anyone stating that this was an A/C contrail EVER mentioned "atmospheric distortion".

Go away -- and do not come back until you find and post it.

217 posted on 12/12/2010 9:36:44 PM PST by TXnMA (Hooptidoodle!!!)
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To: Yardstick
Yep -- saw it, thanks! :-) I was typing while you were drawing. It ain't too purty -- but it's FACT! Thanks again!

That misinterpretation of the "shadowing and backlighting" myth is all those poor duped folks have left to cling to...

218 posted on 12/12/2010 9:42:35 PM PST by TXnMA (Hooptidoodle!!!)
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To: TXnMA
First of all you show no evidence of any "crosswipe" in the video KCBS released. Secondly, none of the pics you label as "crosswipes" show a second contrail. Thirdly, the clip that is transitioned to is so vastly different an image that it couldn't possibly produce the image of a second contrail even if there were some double exposure going on.

All you did by pointing that stupid "video analysis" out is reinforcing the clear FACT that you "missile truthers" have been suckered by a SeeBS "sweeps week" LIE!

Since I didn't see the "second contrail" analysis until weeks afterwards it couldn't have had anything to do with my estimation of what KCBS showed. What you are making clear is how amateurish your analysis is.

219 posted on 12/12/2010 9:43:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Yardstick

Thanks! That is a beautiful example — as is our contrail...


220 posted on 12/12/2010 9:43:56 PM PST by TXnMA (Hooptidoodle!!!)
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