Posted on 01/02/2012 6:33:58 AM PST by blam
My DNA is Y Haplogroup (male) R1b1b2 and my MT (female) Halpogroup is 'V'. R1b haplogroup is the most common in Europe and haplogroup 'V' is rare.
GGG Ping.
This all makes perfect sense to me...
There’s a typo in the article, but I won’t show off by pointing out where.
Bkmrk
Brevity is appreciated.
thanks, blam. Very interesting. I know this replacement/integration argument has been going on a long time. Your V MT -— is that not the one most commonly found in the (now) Basque areas?
And so where did the modern population come from? Neolithic, I suppose, up the Danube. Then they all turned blonde. Human adaptability is amazing.
I mean to someday send in a sample for DNA testing. I seem to be Highland/lowland Scots/Scots Irish for at least five generations so I don’t think there will be any surprises.
I seem to recall a heavy Turkish influence into this area from my previous research into haplogrouping.
What time frame? Sounds like one of the steppe migrations.
Well, as long as all the milkmen, mailmen, and delivery boys in your old neighborhood were likewise Scotch-Irish...
Regards,
That simple datum implies the loss of so many amazing stories. Epic emigrations, epic conflicts, epic change.
It's a story repeated over and over. A hunter-gatherer group occupies a certain territory. The population density is naturally low. It takes a lot of territory to maintain enough game to feed even a small population (imagine trying to feed the population of Ohio or Pennsylvania solely by hunting deer). Then a bunch of farmers or herders show up. They look around and think, gee, this territory is almost empty. Lots of land here for crops and herds. So they start cultivating, and fencing things in. The original population protests: you're fencing off our hunting grounds. Initially, the hunters win. They're used to defending their hunting grounds against other hunters. Eventually, though, the farmers and herders win. They enjoy settlements, and the accumulation of fixed wealth. Either the hunter/gatherers decide to take up farming and herding, or they die out.
No, it's 1-2% if I remember correctly.
The 'V's" left the Iberian refuge with the R1b's (male) but arrived in the Finnish region with the (male) haplogroup 'I'.
Some DNA markers seem to indicate that they may have gotten there (Northern Finland) during the Ice Age.
The Skolt Sámi are 52% haplogroup 'V'.
Only 400 people speak the Skolt language today.
BFL
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If it involves royal geneaologies it probably dates to a later period than what I am thinking of. Scythians and Sarmations certainly, and possibly some Hunnic (Turkic) made there way there, probably as fugitives. These are early movements though, and traced largely through art, artifacts and burial customs rather than DNA samples. Interesting stuff.
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Thanks blam. Half of my chromosomes come from each of my parents, but less than a quarter come from two of my grandparents, and so on; of my 4thgreat-grandparents -- there were 64 of them -- at least 18 contributed zero chromosomes to me. And yet, they are my ancestors, and had they never lived, I would never have been born. |
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