Posted on 02/15/2012 1:10:19 PM PST by FewsOrange
Pediatricians fed up with parents who refuse to vaccinate their children out of concern it can cause autism or other problems increasingly are "firing" such families from their practices, raising questions about a doctor's responsibility to these patients.
Medical associations don't recommend such patient bans, but the practice appears to be growing, according to vaccine researchers.
In a study of Connecticut pediatricians published last year, some 30% of 133 doctors said they had asked a family to leave their practice for vaccine refusal, and a recent survey of 909 Midwestern pediatricians found that 21% reported discharging families for the same reason.
By comparison, in 2001 and 2006 about 6% of physicians said they "routinely" stopped working with families ...
Most pediatricians consider preventing disease through vaccines a primary goal of their job. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and AAP issue an annual recommended vaccination schedule, but some parents ask if their child's immunizations can be pushed back or skipped altogether, pediatricians say. While rates for several key inoculations in young children rose between 2009 and 2010, according to the CDC, lower immunization rates have been blamed as a factor in U.S. outbreaks of whooping cough and measles in recent years.
Parents often voice concerns about autism or that their child's immune system may be overwhelmed by too many vaccines at once. Worries about a link between vaccines and autism arose because some parents noticed their children regressed, or lost some skills, around the time of their vaccinations at two years of age. Another concern centered on the former use of mercury as a vaccine preservative.
Numerous studies since have dispelled these concerns among scientists. Rather, scientists say, it is more likely that autism symptoms begin showing up around the same age children are vaccinated.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
If you are interested, “google” that term and read up on it; then you will understand the concept; why I mentioned the term and how it pertains to these types of individuals.
Take care,
-Geoff
I couldn’t figure out what you were trying to say, but I will repeat the fact that I have fired customers, cut them loose, told them that I would not accept any more work from them.
“I’ve never been vaccinated for anything.”
Your luck does not extend to prevent epidemics. Epidemics are why we invented vaccines.
I hope your luck continues, but please do not try to get people to emulate it, it will kill some of them.
you don’t fire customers.
you just refuse their patronage.
the wordgame is childish semantics for those who don’t believe they are in control of their own lives.
you never fired a customer.
I just brought my kids for their checkups the other day. When they were young, I didn’t question the doctors on vaccinations, and I agreed to every single shot up through age 4. Because the recommendations for vaccinations change constantly, one child had 15 shots, another had 16, and another had 17... all before age 4.
Then I started refusing the shots. There were so many shots required in our state - at one point, our state required more immunization shots than any other state. There were more booster shots recommended at age 6 and then even more booster shots at age 11-12. Two different doctors jumped all over me for refusing further vaccinations, so I “fired” them (not the other way around).
When I took my kids for checkups the other day, I mentioned to the doctor that they never had their 11-12yo booster shots. He said: “Oh, we stopped giving those boosters at that age. Now we only give shots for chicken pox and meningitis at age 11-12.”
So, (1) the medical community continually changes its recommendations; (2) vaccination requirements even differ from state to state; and (3) when you agree to a vaccination, the doctor hands you information warning that a small percentage of patients will be harmed (sometimes fatally) by the shot itself. Those are a few reasons why the decision should be made by parents themselves. Whether we choose to vaccinate or not - or whether, like me, some parents pick and choose - the decision is ours to make.
To those of you who believe all children should receive all vaccinations, I would ask: Which vaccinations? How many? How many more vaccinations are you willing to add to the schedule? Will there ever be a limit?
That is probably why I’m healthy
Except for the fact that you're a stark raving lunatic, you're the picture of perfect health!
God bless you for being the one I charge of you and your kids’ health. Nobody else cares more about it than you do. Nobody else has to deal with the consequences either.
And of course you are right, what’s correct to do changes all the time. CPR keeps changing. Eggs, bad, now good, oops, bad again, now good again. Time to stop unquestioning trust in experts of all stripes.
I have family that have had that. You know what brings on shingles? High levels of intense stress. If you’ve had chickenpox I doubt the vaccine will prevent shingles if you have a very high stress period of time later in life, as that’s the source of your shingles.
That is probably why I’m healthy, and those that have been vaccinated are sickly. I’m 67 years old and haven’t even had a cold for close to 50 years.
My dad was like just like you…..until he contracted Meningitis (Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)). He'd tell you about it but he's dead now. BTW there is a vaccine for Hib. Too bad my dad didn't get it.
With current levels of basic hygiene an epidemic scenario isn’t likely. The four things that stop epidemics is clean water, sewage systems, garbage collection systems and handwashing/disinfecting capability. That’s why all major diseases you’d be worried about were all decreasing in America even before the advent of vaccines.
It’s always a pleasure to speak with you..........
As the owner, I am comfortable using the word firing.
In my business a customer is supposed to be for life, and once they find the right plumber or mechanic, (or doctor), they can be kind of desperate to keep them, and if they are the right kind of customer, then you want to retain them in return.
Occasionally a customer just doesn’t meet your standard, and you have to fire him, even if he has been a customer for years.
That can be quite a shock to the customer who never realized that someone like a doctor or plumber might decide that the relationship was not meeting their standard, and that they did not want to continue the relationship and that the customer was being cut loose, let go.
OK thanks. I just remember kids being born that way. I spent a couple of years in a school specializing in kids with physical disabilities. Vaccines all of them do carry some risk. No matter what a certain percentage will have an adverse reaction. These reactions seemed to have increased when the time frames were narrowed and more shots taken closer together. The reason behind it I think was for Pre-schoolers, Kindergarten, etc. Kids present in class means FUNDING.
When I was a kid we started school at age six by then most of us had gone through typical childhood illnesses like measles, chicken pox, etc, and our immune systems were stronger for the socialization school brings.
The same government oriented pressures that brought us the newer vaccine schedules brought us school pushed Ritalin as the Not Too Be Questioned Cure All for every childs learning or behavioral issues. This too involved additional funding too the schools. Never mind in doing so they do far more harm too many more kids than good. There is good reason to question their motives and exercise educated caution. Just because some alaphabet government agency says something is good, safe, or needed, doesn't mean it's true.
I have two cousins who were born several years apart. At an early age about 2-3 they began developing M.D. type symptoms. I put both of them in wheelchairs for life. They are in their late thirties today. One is married and has kids. Needless too say she was very apprehensive & cautious about her kids shots. They got them but not at the rapid pace being used by most doctors today.
I take vaccines about every three weeks myself. Is it risk free? NO. A doctor or nurse has to be ready with a needle in case I have a reaction. I might not ever have a reaction or the next one I take could put me into shock. I take immunization therapy for severe allergies. It was simply weighing the risk of long term immunization against more permanent neurological damage if I didn't. Vaccines also change. The allergy shots I took as a child did not work. The ones I take today work somewhat better. Still the same risk though.
once a fire is extinguished does the fire department stay and continue putting water on it?
I’ve been in contact with every kind of contamination you can imagine, with no problem.
I was Resident Engineer on a sewage treatment plant upgrade project where I regularly had to enter and examine structures that you probably would not have been willing to get within 1000 feet of.
Your dad probably used an antibiotic, which wipes out your immune system for a year or more.
No, a stark raaving lunatic would likely have been injected with everything under the sun.
Since consensus is exactly how the dangers of modern vaccines are dismissed, despite evidence to the contrary and at great professional peril if one seeks to display this evidence, and you don’t understand that, your credibility suffers.
Since you don’t know what you’re talking about in terms of the $ to be made (making sure kids are seen for their shots every 6 months keeps pediatricians in business, for example), your credibility suffers some more.
Since you think I claimed vaccines don’t do good, which I never said, your use of straw arguments now has your credibility in need of morphine. Please seek a vaccine against piss-poor debate skills and come back later.
“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and AAP issue an annual recommended vaccination schedule....”
And can we “fire” the government, when ANYTHING they want done to you through Arbeitsziehungslager is a mandated requirement, and no longer a “recommendation”?
When you are out and about, occasionally stop at a service plumbing shop and ask the guys if they get colds, or get sick often, they will tell you that they don't.
Exposure to some things seems to help the immune system.
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