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1 posted on 02/11/2015 10:19:49 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

BillyBoy: Same-Sex Marriage is impossible regardless of what states say about it. Same-sex marriage won’t exist unless God changes human biology so people of the same gender can form a union.


2 posted on 02/11/2015 10:21:44 AM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: SoConPubbie

What happens to full faith and credit? Does Tennessee have to recognize same-sex marriages from Massachusetts?


3 posted on 02/11/2015 10:25:45 AM PST by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: SoConPubbie

PING for the next time someone accuses Rand Paul of being a liberal or something for taking same position


6 posted on 02/11/2015 10:38:17 AM PST by Augustinian monk (" If you ain't Muslim, you ain't Shiite")
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To: SoConPubbie; All
As mentioned in related threads, the Founding States had made the 10th Amendment (10A) to clarify that the Constitution’s silence on issues like marriage means that such issues are automatically uniquely state power issues.

In fact, PC interpretations of the Supremacy Clause (6.2) aside, the Supreme Court has clarified in broad terms that powers not delegated to the feds expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate marriage in this case, are prohibited to the feds.

”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
But we’re not hearing anybody in corrupt DC mention 10A because, despite RINOs now controlling Congress, it is still one of the best-kept secrets in DC.
7 posted on 02/11/2015 10:53:14 AM PST by Amendment10
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“My recollection is Judge Moore had a similar problem with a federal court ruling that you couldn’t put a huge Ten Commandments statue in the middle of your courthouse and, ultimately, federal law was obeyed,..."

The author's recollection is incorrect. It was Judge Moore who stood on the ground of the Constitution and the Federal courts who disobeyed it.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


8 posted on 02/11/2015 11:08:03 AM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: SoConPubbie; Kale; Jarhead9297; COUNTrecount; notaliberal; DoughtyOne; RitaOK; MountainDad; ...
Ted Cruz Ping!

If you want on/off this ping list, please let me know.

Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!


CRUZ or LOSE!


9 posted on 02/11/2015 11:10:37 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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Ted’s plan will not work as the entire nation is devastated even if one state or one county has Gay Marriage.


10 posted on 02/11/2015 11:16:08 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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This is asenine...then we should leave polygamy and bigamy up to individual states, too, eh?

Why not 5 guys & 2 gals in a "group marriage" -- perhaps the lefty loony states could lead the way in opening that door!

11 posted on 02/11/2015 11:22:48 AM PST by Colofornian
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If it was up to the states it would be held off longer. But if the current trends continue there wouldn’t be a state in the union 20 years from now whose marriage amendment couldn’t just be repealed by a popular vote, in my opinion. There are states who only passed theirs in the 50-60% ranges in the middle of the last decade who probably couldn’t pass them again if a referendum was held now.

Freegards


12 posted on 02/11/2015 11:32:54 AM PST by Ransomed
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That’s how Fred Thompson lost support of conservatives.

Leaving it to the states is and will be a disaster. Plus leaving it to the states often means leaving it to Federal courts which have been overturning state constitutions and state laws on the matter.


13 posted on 02/11/2015 11:39:54 AM PST by DannyTN
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Cruz is right.

First: The FEDERAL constitution is mute on marriage, as it was considered at the founding, and should still be considered, a matter that comes under the “rights” left to the states and the people to decide upon; not the Federal government; any of it.

Second: There is no FEDERAL constitutional amendment that adds “sexual orientation” to the protected classes under the civil war amendments, and without such an amendment the supreme court justices cannot - responsibly - make one up by themselves, and thus there is NOT a federal constitutional basis for same-sex marriage on the same grounds as was previously found for interracial marriage.


18 posted on 02/11/2015 11:55:50 AM PST by Wuli
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"having hit a critical mass of states that have recognized same-sex marriage..." Mr Obama said

Huh? Actually, there's more states that have banned gay marriage than those that have approved it. I count 16 that have specifically allowed it, 30 that specifically are 1man/1woman, and 4 that are 1man/1woman by statute but not Constitution. Federal judiciary tyranny doesn't count as a pro-homo state!

States that Approve:

Via popular vote:
- Maryland. (By legislation first, then pop vote.)
- Maine. (By legislation, then overturned by pop vote in 2009, then pop vote approving it in 2012.)
- Washington. (By legislation, then referendum by pop vote approves.)

Via State legislatures, no popular vote:
- Vermont. (legislature overrides veto by gov.)
- New Hampshire. (Bill passed in 2010, repeal in 2012 fails.)
- New York.
- Delaware.
- Rhode Island.
- Minnesota. (Voters reject a Const. amendment defining as 1man/1woman by 51%, then legislature passes gay marriage.)
- Hawaii. ('98, voters approve Const. amend allowing the legislature to ban gay marriage, Leg does. In 2013 Leg reverses and allows it. )
- Illinois.

Via courts:
- Massachusetts. (State SC rules ban is unConst.)
- Connecticut. (State SC rules gays can wed.)
- Iowa. (State SC overturns law banning gay marriage.)
- New Jersey. (Leg bill vetoed, then state judge says it's legal. State SC declines to step in.)
- New Mexico. (No laws either way, but State SC affirms 'right' in 2013)

States that have Const. bans/1man-1woman:

- California. (Prop 22 in 2000 bans gay marriage in state law. Const 1man/1woman [Prop 8] overturned by Federal courts in 2013.)
- Alaska. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Nebraska.
- Nevada. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Arkansas.
- Georgia.
- Kentucky.
- Louisiana.
- Michigan.
- Mississippi.
- Missouri.
- Montana. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- North Dakota.
- Ohio.
- Oklahoma. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Oregon. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Utah. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Kansas. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Texas.
- Alabama. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Colorado. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Idaho. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- South Carolina. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- South Dakota.
- Tennessee.
- Virginia. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Wisconsin. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Arizona. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Florida. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- North Carolina. (Overturned by Fed judge.)

States with statute for 1man/1woman, but no Const. article:

- Wyoming. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Pennsylvania. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- West Virginia. (Overturned by Fed judge.)
- Indiana. (Overturned by Fed judge.)


PEW time line by state <-- Pretty comprehensive.
Quick reference guide
21 posted on 02/11/2015 1:25:26 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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