Posted on 01/15/2016 4:53:13 AM PST by SJackson
What if a bad guy with a gun starts shooting?
Dallas ABC affiliate WFAA attempted to put to the test the adage, declared by National Rifle Association's Wayne LaPierre after the Sandy Hook massacre, that "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
"Many Texans choose to arm themselves," the WFAA report began, "but how prepared are the 'good guys' to protect their own families... and even the public? How would they would perform if a 'bad guy' with a gun starts shooting?"
The station retained two experts to create an exercise that would put their readiness to the test: Travis Bond, the managing member of the DFW Shooters Academy in Highland Village, an instructor with 32 years of training and law enforcement experience, and for the "bad guy," Shawn Clary, a SWAT team member and tactical instructor with 22 years experience. Clary was carrying an AR-15 that also shot plastic pellets.
For the good guys, the station chose three men and a woman with concealed handgun licenses and various degrees of training. The participants were armed with helmets, goggles and training pistols with plastic pellets. They were given no details except that they would be encountering an armed assailant in different office space scenarios. They were not told Clary was wearing body armor, which meant in order to kill or wound the bad guy, they would have to score a hit to the head, neck, or pelvis.
There were two scenarios - a busy office space with tall cubicles in which workers could not see each other, and a conference room crowded with coworkers. First Clary played the role of an angry co-worker who fired warning shots and then methodically made his way past cubicles, pretending to kill workers along the way.
The first participant stayed in his cubicle, crouching and using his chair as cover. He struck Clary with what would have been two fatal rounds. "He put rounds right into my upper torso and head area above where the body armor is," Clary said. "He did very well."
The next participant, scrambling into a darkened cubicle, took cover and opened fire, scoring a couple of fatal wounds as well. "I received some rounds in the arm and got one in the head," Clary said. "That would be a kill shot."
. The third participant, the woman, hit Clary's vest, and the fourth intentionally chose to hit the body armor. "I shot him in the vest on purpose. I didn't want to hit him in the head, because it wasn't real life to me."
Next Clary, pretending to be a terrorist, stormed a crowded conference room and ordered everyone to put their hands on their heads. His plan was to shoot workers one at a time until stopped, but one of the participants saw an opportunity and drew his weapon, scoring a "fatal" wound on Clary. "Not only did he engage me at the right time, he made a good hit," said Clary.
Another participant did the same when it was his turn. "He did a good job," Clary said. "Plus, his weapon was concealed, so I didn't know he was a threat."
One of the participants made a "fatal tactical decision," however, by wearing his weapon on his hip. "If you want to take that as an open carry kind of scenario, that's exactly what I would have done as a bad guy coming in," Clary said. "I saw that he was armed -- he's my first target." Lesson learned for all the participants.
Weapons trainer Travis Bond said the best way to overcome the unknown is to prepare for it. "By going through the training and experiencing different things -- and specifically looking for opportunities to engage, and knowing when not to engage -- is as important as anything," he said.
Want to bet your life on that?
>>Concealed evens up the odds.
But concealed combined with draconian rules requiring that no one can ever even detect that you are concealing a gun forces us to carry very small handguns. Active shooters do not walk in with a 6 shot 380.
If I have the option to cover my gun with a shirt but not worry if it prints a little or if the bottom of my holster is exposed, then I can carry a 15 round Glock in a pancake holster instead of a S&W Bodyguard 380 in an IWB. That evens up the odds.
Back of the car trunk, same place to buy you gun .. see your local street dealer for this month’s specials ... Rumor has it Chicago dealers has some sweet deals on full auto weapons ...
My state has no such rules. Concealed, partially concealed, or open is the same for a CW holder.
if they are on the ground with gun still in their hand they are still a threat finish the job.
And they're typically not firearms instructors who know what they're doing.........
A correct response!
Thank you!
And they're typically not firearms instructors who know what they're doing.........
Also, a high percentage of 'mass shooters' have offed themselves once confronted with force.
I saw that in a movie, this girl hears a knock on the door, looks through the peephole and then takes a shotgun blast through the door
Kill Bill?
The truer test and result is whether or not a potential perpetrator “thinks” all us armed up citizens are able to stop his crime.
From just looking at what concealed carry did for the Carjacking Industry.
Actually, it was prior to that, I want to say back in 1999. The girl was the main character’s girlfriend, and she was stripper. But I can’t for the life of me remember anything else about it.
Knock em down like a truck, maybe not, but a hit will definitely get their full attention and not a good way for them.
We can run a test, you put on your best body armor and take a 40 cal shot center-mass. Sound good to you?
One of my instructors advised a pelvic shot. Most body armor, except for heavy SWAT armor, just covers the upper torso, and a bullet in the pelvis will put a guy down on the floor. You can then go for a head shot.
The classic "Mozambique" maneuver is "two to the chest, then aim carefully and put one in the head".
Already been done many times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x59iN4KMz4
Note it is not a handgun.
X=has been.
spurt=drip under pressure.
>>My state has no such rules. Concealed, partially concealed, or open is the same for a CW holder.
I’m hoping Florida does the same and soon.
There are several good Internet sources, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to recommend one over another (and I don’t know enough to say one site is the best). Certification matters, and there are sites out there with defective/expired materials, but it should be easy to figure out what you’re getting.
You are so clever.
Now, back to my question, to YOU. I did not ask you to pull up a video of someone else. The question was would YOU be willing to perform the deed, Mr. obviously_not_braveheart.
Then you'll be dragged up in front of some liberal judge on murder charges.
You do what your training has taught you. I’m responsible for my family and myself. My decisions will be based on that. You first prepare for the possibility by knowing your surroundings, where exits are located, where entrances are located, if you hear something that sounds like gunfire then react as if it is rather than kid yourself. Get your family and yourself out of the building as fast as possible. If not possible to get out of the building then find as secure a spot as possible to hide, one that can also be defended with the door directly in front of your spot. Desks and tables likely won’t stop rifle fire or larger bore pistol fire so prepare as many layers of defense as is practical between you and the door. If someone with a firearm comes through that door then don’t waste time trying to talk them out of harming you. Shoot to kill with as many rounds as necessary to neutralize the attacker. When the police arrive let them know where you are, place your firearm on the ground, show the police your hands above your head facing them and follow their instructions precisely. G
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