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1 posted on 11/13/2017 5:27:13 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
There is no need for reform of the Electoral College at the federal level.

It is still up to the states. My own belief is that it would be best for all states to use the Maine/Nebraska formula for choosing electors. But that should be decided at the state level by the people's legislators, not by amending the Constitution or an Act of Congress.

2 posted on 11/13/2017 5:32:34 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon.)
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3 posted on 11/13/2017 5:32:35 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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The states get to decide.

Seems simple enough.

I like the idea of California, New York, and Illinois deciding on proportional representation for their electors.


4 posted on 11/13/2017 5:32:46 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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If it hadn’t been for the electoral college there would be no Union at all. That was the compromise.


5 posted on 11/13/2017 5:34:34 PM PST by Brilliant
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meh

Those who seek to fix that which isn’t broken are mischief makers


7 posted on 11/13/2017 5:38:18 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Kaslin

I wrote this about the Electoral College and posted it here on FR several years ago. It still holds true today.

A Republic, if we can keep it.

We’re hiding from the truth if we try to blame Obama for what’s wrong in this country and think we can mend the country if we can only rid ourselves of Obama, for Obama isn’t the sickness that afflicts us; he’s merely a symptom of the disease that is destroying us, and at this point we may be past the point of recovery.

Any student of history could have seen this coming, as our country is now following the path all previous Democracies have taken. An 18th Century English Historian, Sir Alexander Tytler Fraser, warned that a democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship.

When our founding fathers met in Philadelphia for the Constitutional Convention in 1787, they were well aware a democracy was nothing more than “mob rule” and they went to great lengths to prevent our Representative Republic from becoming one. However, each preventive step our Founding Fathers made in our electoral processes to prevent mob rule/democracy were one by one eliminated by the Democrat Party until we now have an almost complete mob rule/democracy.

Ben Franklin, when asked what he had achieved at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention in 1787, replied, “A Republic, if we can keep it,” and we haven’t kept it. We are now as close to a complete “Democracy” thus “mob rule” as a country can get.

Initially, a democracy/mob rule was prevented and our Republic was preserved through very limited voting rights. There were no provisions in our Constitution that established voting rights and it was left up to each state to decide who could vote and who couldn’t. Most states determined that in order to have voting rights, a citizen had to be a white, male property owner, and the U.S. House of Representatives was elected by this small pool of voters, as was State Senates and State Houses of Representatives. This mob rule preventive measure has been undone by time and four amendments to the Constitution until all a voter needs to be now is an eighteen year old non-felon U.S. Citizen.

To further limit the possibility of “mob rule,” Article One of the United States Constitution - Section 3: Senate, stated senators were to be elected to the U.S. Senate by the State Senates and not by the same pool of voters as was the U.S House. That “mob rule” preventive measure was undone by the Seventeenth Amendment to or Constitution that allowed for the U.S. Senate to be elected by the same pool of voters as is the U.S. House.
To even further limit the possibility of “Mob Rule,” the President wouldn’t be elected by the same pool of voters as was the House of Representatives but would be elected by an “Electoral College.” As stated in section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution— “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors . . .”

As you can see, the only “Mob Rule” preventive measure still remaining in effect is the Electoral College that prevents the President from being elected by a “Popular” vote, and the Democrats keep trying to undo that one.

This “mob” is now a Democrat Party led loose coalition of Marxist Communists, Socialists, environmentalists, welfare parasites, abortionists, racists, race baiters, illegal aliens, and other assorted criminals comprising close to a majority of the U.S. population. What the mob doesn’t have in numbers, they make up for with voter fraud during elections.

No, Obama isn’t our problem; it’s the “mob” that elected him, and that can’t be fixed by an election even if we could win it.


10 posted on 11/13/2017 6:26:05 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Kaslin
“Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the state may be entitled in Congress…”

That is NOT the only portion that has bearing on the rules governing the Electoral College. Other parts of the Constitution (including Amendments) may influence which manners the Legislature can use.

Section 4, The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

If a state tried to decree that the electors were decided by lottery, auction or even the winner of the popular vote nationwide, that would be in violation of Section 4, in my opinion, as none of those are a Republican form of selection at the level of the State.
12 posted on 11/13/2017 6:52:56 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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All decisions about the method of selecting members of the Electoral College is left to the states.


“Sir, roll you window down, please.”
“Sorry, officer. Was a speeding?”
“I’m not a cop, sir, I’m with the grammar police.”
“That’s even worse! What did I do?”
“You used a singular verb with a plural subject. If you drop out the clause “about the method of selecting members of the Electoral College,” you get, “All decisions is left to the states.”
“Is that wrong? Should I not have done that?”
“Pulling a George Costanza won’t help you, sir.”
“Well, it worth a try.”


13 posted on 11/13/2017 6:55:19 PM PST by sparklite2 (-)
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Mathematical proof of the legitimacy of the Electoral College:

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/sep/math-against-tyranny


14 posted on 11/13/2017 6:57:53 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kaslin
Rather uneven explanation. The “winner take all” issue is a straw man, having nothing to do with the Constitution, and I have heard no one who thinks it does. The argument about states being ignored reflects ignorance. That problem would only be worsened by eliminating the college or making wholesale changes in it.

Real reform would underscore the original intent of having the States elect the president, not the “popular vote” of “every voter.” This writer appears to miss the point.

17 posted on 11/13/2017 7:16:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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In the Federalist No. 45, Madison described the power to appoint electors as an important state power, making the Federal Government “dependent” on actions of the state.

Well, that did a total 180º.

18 posted on 11/13/2017 8:07:10 PM PST by wastedyears (US out of the UN, UN out of the US.)
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<>That means 80 percent of the country is ignored in a presidential election. That is the problem, that is where any discussion about reform of the Electoral College should begin, not with specious arguments. When we start with identifying the real problem, we will reach the most rational and constitutional approach to a solution that makes every voter in every state important to every presidential candidate in every election.<>

The real problems began when the state and national party apparatus took over the process. The Framers are rolling in their graves at the sight of presidential electors' choices being limited to one of two outright leaders of self-serving factions.

The Framers' President was above faction, and not the divisive leader of a political party beholden to those who put him in office.

The Framers' President Part III.

19 posted on 11/14/2017 1:35:26 AM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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