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Trade war approaches: China plans tariffs on $3 billion of U.S. imports, retaliating against Trump
LA LA Times ^ | MAR 22, 2018 | 6:45 PM | BLOOMBERG

Posted on 03/22/2018 7:12:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

Edited on 03/22/2018 8:47:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: palmer
>>>QE undermined the economy by creating uncertainty in the currency and encouraging malinvestment. QT is not too much fun but the only way to undo QE.

Agreed...but it is still a hidden interest hike that is bringing down the stock market...and that was the point of my post.

Plus, if we head back towards recession later this year or next (and there are some indications...not a lot but some...that we may)...QT is going to stop and we may be talking of QE 4...or whatever they are going to call it.

Bottom line is...I really don't think we've heard the last of QE. I bet we see another form of it within the next few years.

41 posted on 03/22/2018 8:13:21 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What do they import?
Fortune cookies and chop sticks?


42 posted on 03/22/2018 8:13:49 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: rurgan
But you say they are not political. I say they are growth is nonexistent why raise so aggressively?

You are basically admitting rates can't stay at zero but you think growth is "nonexistent" and the economy still needs the crutch. But that's not true. Tax cuts were needed and confidence in the dollar is needed. Without the latter, people are not going to tie up their money in productivity improvements that won't pay off for 10 years. Instead large investors will continue the practices of chasing short term yeilds that don't help grow the economy sustainably.

43 posted on 03/22/2018 8:14:02 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Oldexpat

Do you mean to tell me that Smithfield is the only pork processing plant in the U.S.?


44 posted on 03/22/2018 8:14:50 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: dadfly
china’s “retaliation” slaps tariffs on the people’s republic of california wine and cheese? pinch me, too good to be true.

Don't let your dislike for the People's RepuliK of California cloud your judgement here. There are a TON of wheat, soybean, corn, pork and other farmers all across the midwest that are going to feel the pinch of these tariffs and the trade war with China. When their ability to export starts taking its bite we're going to see a whole lot of family farms hurting big time.

I'd like to think they aren't intended targets in this trade war with China and I certainly don't want to see any more family farms go under because of all this ....

Unintended Consequences 'n all that.

45 posted on 03/22/2018 8:15:35 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: rurgan
Why so much QE for Obama , but QT as soon as Trump gets in?

I certainly agree with your premise that the Fed board is no fan of Trump. But the QT is needed. The longer it is postponed the more the economy is hollowed out. The reason people put their money in American factories to get them back in 10 years is that they expect the dollar will still be worth something in 10 years. Without the QT they don't have any assurance about the dollar.

46 posted on 03/22/2018 8:16:49 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: palmer

The Fed’s QT now against Trump is causing the stock market to crash.

Who does that help? democrats.


47 posted on 03/22/2018 8:18:03 PM PDT by rurgan (The Federal reserve r leftists raising rates to hurt Trump.Fed kept rates at 0 for all of obama yrs)
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To: NELSON111

I agree that QE will be back. One thing we do know from today on the Hill is that Congress will NEVER cut spending from now on, and the only ways to reduce the deficit are economic growth, inflation / QE, and/or default. Trump chooses growth, the next president will probably choose #2 with encouragement from Congress.


48 posted on 03/22/2018 8:19:47 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: rurgan
The Fed’s QT now against Trump is causing the stock market to crash.

The corrent minor correction is necessary. It gets rid of weak hands. You appear to be one of those, so please sell in the next month or two so we can get a really rally this summer.

49 posted on 03/22/2018 8:21:36 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Chicomms are already tariffing at least some of our products. Not too wise to let the peasants have too much, you know.


50 posted on 03/22/2018 8:21:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: palmer
>>>One thing we do know from today on the Hill is that Congress will NEVER cut spending from now on

Yep...and even with the growth with the economy we are still looking at deficits of near 6% GDP. In short: We are screwed.

If we get ONE calamity and short-term interest rates increase on our debt? Lord help us.

51 posted on 03/22/2018 8:24:47 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Yulee

Fannie Mae owns mine, but that’s not very comforting, either.


52 posted on 03/22/2018 8:28:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: palmer

U.S. GDP was 2.3% for 2017 . The Fed should not raise interest rates with a GDP and inflation this low. Anyone can see that raising rates 6 times with an economy this weak will cause a recession.

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/business/T019-C000-S010-gdp-growth-rate-and-forecast.html


53 posted on 03/22/2018 8:35:49 PM PDT by rurgan (The Federal reserve r leftists raising rates to hurt Trump.Fed kept rates at 0 for all of obama yrs)
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To: NELSON111
If we get ONE calamity and short-term interest rates increase on our debt? Lord help us.

We still have the military to back up the dollar. Even that advantage won't last forever but it works against tiny countries like Switzerland that are threats to the dollars (by making it look bad). The whole world will keep inflating with us for now. Like I said before, our choices are growth, default and inflation in various combos. Trump floated the default trial balloon as a candidate and I doubt he will do that again now. The right answer for Trump is economic growth. By increasing GDP that 6% goes down. IMO that will be paired with some inflation in time, but inflation expectations are remarkably low right now. I've been very wrong in the past predicting lots of inflation.

54 posted on 03/22/2018 8:36:08 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: rurgan
Anyone can see that raising rates 6 times with an economy this weak will cause a recession.

Anyone is wrong. The reason GDP has been the lowest ever (for a recovery) is low rates.

55 posted on 03/22/2018 8:37:29 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

CBS Sunday Morning once did a story about a Harley Davidson motorcycle club in Beijing.

It was stated that Harley’s cost $100,000 in China.

I also heard that in China there is a 25% tariff on automobiles imported from America.

On Good Morning America three or four years ago, they featured a car show in China.

A middle aged Chinese man was asked if he would buy a Chinese made car. He made a face, shook his head, and said “No.”

Through an interpreter, he said that he preferred to buy a GM car. “I figure if they have been making automobiles for over one hundred years, they know what they’re doing!” he answered.

Also, on the CBS Evening News Thursday night, they interviewed two Chinese boys in China about President Trump’s proposed tariffs through an interpreter. The kids sounded as fervent and as psycho as a radical muslim.

One kid said about the Americans, “We’ll gouge their eyes out!”

Maybe Nixon never should have opened up China in the early 1970’s.


56 posted on 03/22/2018 8:37:38 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (No DACA Caca....Send the Nightmares home. "Americans are Dreamers, too." President Trump)
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To: Yulee
Will we find that China owns a lot of the home mortgages in the US?

No, but we’ll find that Federal lands in the West have been pledged to China as security against their continuing purchase of US Treasuries, to keep the crap game afloat. And gnats like the Bundys who get in the way will continue to be crushed.

57 posted on 03/22/2018 8:41:18 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: palmer
The real reason GDP has been low is the massive government regulations on U.S. businesses like the OSHA, Affirmative action, employer matching taxation , and the rooms full of more laws and pages.

Trump is trying to reduce those but democrats are challenging every move in court. And he can't just wave his hand and remove the minimum wage or OSHA, affirmative action or other laws as congress has to repeal those.

58 posted on 03/22/2018 8:41:19 PM PDT by rurgan (The Federal reserve r leftists raising rates to hurt Trump.Fed kept rates at 0 for all of obama yrs)
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To: rurgan
Yes, that's another reason. But what you don't seem to get is that people are not going to tie up dollars in factory equipment that won't pay off for 10 years when the Fed is actively undermining the dollar. QE actively undermines the dollar. Low rates can too.

BTW, please let us know when you finally capitulate and exit the market so we can all use that as our buy signal.

59 posted on 03/22/2018 8:44:13 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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BFL


60 posted on 03/22/2018 8:46:48 PM PDT by Darth Mall
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