Posted on 01/21/2019 4:30:54 PM PST by Kaslin
Totally opposite experience in my neck of the woods. Last 10 years or so, medicos are far more willing to do less than more.
Ambulance chasing lawyers.
Don't misunderstand me, my mother in law had a DNR. When she had an unrecoverable stroke, the Dr refused to stop what he deemed to be essential treatment. This was against both her wishes and the family's wishes. She lingered for about 30 days in a totally vegetative state.
A lawyer contacted my father in law based solely on the death notice and offered to pursue the Dr and the hospital for either keeping her alive against her DNR or for negligence in letting her die. The lawyer was willing to go wherever the money was, at the family's expense, the drs expense and the hospital's expense..
This clown's ads are all over San Antonio media.
My mother was in the nursing home each of these three times. Perhaps your point is that ignoring DNR is also cha-ching for nursing homes.
So this means a DNR / living will is not worth spit in NY?
Does Ginsberg have a living will?
I posted a DNR order for my Dad in his last days. I did not want him brought back.
He would have simply suffered longer with no real chance of a turnaround in his condition.
There are times when palliative care is appropriate.
“So this means a DNR / living will is not worth spit in NY?”
Perhaps you should read the NY statutes and AG guidelines on the subject before posting ...
“So this means a DNR / living will is not worth spit in NY?”
When the dirt starts falling back on you, stop digging.
No. It means different things in different states.
In NY, based on the other comments, it is literal. In MA they use a different term, and it includes a combination of DNR and “living will” that specifies things like comfort care, feeding tubes, and ventilation.
It is important that you sit with someone that knows what they are doing, for your situation. On top of that, it is critical to designate a health care proxy—someone with the legal authority to do this stuff. And no, a power of attorney is NOT a HCP—unless it is written into the document. And 99.9% of the time it is not.
Again, the nursing home doesn’t make one cent more from Medicare if she is there—or someone else. Medicare pays a flat rate dependent on the level of day to day care.
The question you should ask yourself is why are they ignoring her wishes at a nursing home? That’s worth a chat with the administrator. I know from experience that if you don’t specifically tell them not to call an ambulance, they will. Every time.
Also, if the patient isn’t deemed incompetent (legally) they are going to follow their instructions no matter what the paper says.
The medical world is dedicated by oath to save lives. Unless you are very specific and in accordance with the law—they will choose life every single time.
Appoint an executor for her health decisions....forget what you put on paper get an executor.
With a stroke, in most cases, if it doesn’t kill you soon, it’s not going to. That’s why this stuff doesn’t apply to strokes.
“Also, if the patient isn’t deemed incompetent (legally) they are going to follow their instructions no matter what the paper says.”
And the doctor at the hospital most likely was not qualified to make that decision.
The doctor at the hospital (in an ER) is not even going to try.
Executors are for when they are dead.
You need a health care proxy.
“The doctor at the hospital (in an ER) is not even going to try.”
That is because in most cases he is not certified to make the decision.
The behavioral heath folks come in at all hours to do assessments. But, if the person in unconscious or has a broken hip—those don’t count as needing resuscitation—or a sound mind.
You are not going to leave an 88 year old woman laying in bed with a broken hip—mentally competent or not.
Medicaid pays less than the ost of care If a DNR patient is knowingly coded one can bring assault and battery charges against the providers who did it unless there is more to the story. Ur no one is keeping a Medicaid patient alive for the money
The living will is superseded by family and the dpoa. If one wants to be comfort care (different from dnr) one should make sure relatives and the appointed decision maker are aware
My mother had a similar DNR and they revived her two times and tried to revive her yet another time.
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