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Let Bernie Madoff, and Many More, Out of Prison Compassionate release has to apply to unsympathetic prisoners, if we mean what we say about ending mass incarceration. (NYT)
New York Times ^ | February 17, 2020 | Colleen P. Eren

Posted on 02/17/2020 8:05:52 AM PST by karpov

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To: goldstategop
No I’m not in favor of releasing violent criminals. That will make no one safer.

If a judge decrees that the prison is over-crowded, and you MUST release some people, or your budget only allows you to keep N prisoners incarcerated, then what criteria will you use to decide who to release, in order to make room for new prisoners?

21 posted on 02/17/2020 8:40:48 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: karpov

How many people committed suicide because Madoff stole their life savings? IMO he’s a serial killer.


22 posted on 02/17/2020 8:40:57 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: karpov

Umm, no.


23 posted on 02/17/2020 8:41:51 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: karpov

How about Blago.


24 posted on 02/17/2020 8:43:30 AM PST by suekas
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To: karpov

How about Blago.


25 posted on 02/17/2020 8:43:30 AM PST by suekas
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Emptying the prisons is a really bad idea. There are very good reasons to keep people incarcerated.

Except that there is limited room for prisoners.

IF releasing some over-50 prisoners made room for more young felons, who would otherwise be released on plea bargain, would you change your mind?

26 posted on 02/17/2020 8:43:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: PapaBear3625

Over 60 maybe.


27 posted on 02/17/2020 8:45:27 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Lot of islands out there.

Penal colonies?

Sensor and monitoring technology is so capable now. Rotate patrol ships and drone flyovers.


28 posted on 02/17/2020 8:49:11 AM PST by wally_bert (Your methods were a little incomplete, you too for that matter.)
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To: karpov

“Mass incarceration” is lie. “Masses” aren’t locked up in this country, “individuals” are locked up based on the common trait of criminality. I think this is cynical progressive posturing, a ploy to create a new problem that they can run for office on.


29 posted on 02/17/2020 8:49:41 AM PST by Churchjack
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I could go for over 60, who had served most of his sentence, and had not gotten in trouble in prison.


30 posted on 02/17/2020 8:53:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: karpov

I’m all for kicking cons out that are sucking their dying breaths getting free medical treatment in our prisons, just so they can finish out their sentences. Let’em out and let them die. Have them sign an agreement that in exchange for getting out early they waive their “right” to Medicare or Medicaid and also that they live with a family member


31 posted on 02/17/2020 8:55:22 AM PST by shotgun
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To: goldstategop
We could release everyone over 55 and still be safer. Violent crime is by and large the province of young men.

Largely true for impulsive, strong arm stuff. Rage murders, violent robberies. Not as true for sexual predators, I believe.

32 posted on 02/17/2020 8:58:46 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: goldstategop

Wasn’t there a recent case where an elderly rapist was released, and he raped again shortly after released?


33 posted on 02/17/2020 9:00:15 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: goldstategop

I think everyone convicted of a crime will be assigned points based on how bad they were.
When the prisons get full, execute the one with the most points to make space for the next convict.
This will motivate prisoners and non prisoners to go straight, because if carried to the extreme, a prisoner could get executed for a parking ticket.

Of course, I don’t think it would come to that!


34 posted on 02/17/2020 9:02:15 AM PST by Senormechanico
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To: karpov

Those on the left who press for criminal justice reform,all prisons will be converted onto camp grounds for the homeless and say say we do care for the people.


35 posted on 02/17/2020 9:07:20 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: karpov
If The Slimes announces support for releasing "unsympathetic" prisoners like "white supremacists" I might come to support Bernie's release.

Until then they can kiss the back of my lap.

36 posted on 02/17/2020 9:22:56 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: PapaBear3625
Do you know how hard it is for someone who is in their 50's and older to find a decent job? Add a felony conviction and a long prison stretch to the mix. How are they supposed to support themselves?

BTW I speak from experience as someone with no criminal record and a long history of steady employment who had to find work after a layoff.

37 posted on 02/17/2020 9:28:19 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: goldstategop

We need to deter’s today’s potential offenders by punishing yesterday’s actual offenders. Is that too complicated to see?


38 posted on 02/17/2020 10:19:33 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Every election, more or less, is an advance auction of stolen goods. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: goldstategop

You don’t have to be young to commit white collar crimes like old Bernie. “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”


39 posted on 02/17/2020 12:20:28 PM PST by soundapproach
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I know how hard it is. I’m near retirement myself. I have a friend who, in his youth, pled guilty to a plea bargain for drug possession in exchange for no time served. Too late, he found out how hard it is to get a professional job with a big company with a criminal record. He was talented enough to make a go of it with his own small business.


40 posted on 02/18/2020 5:36:09 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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