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Let Bernie Madoff, and Many More, Out of Prison
Compassionate release has to apply to unsympathetic prisoners, if we mean what we say about ending mass incarceration. (NYT)
New York Times ^
| February 17, 2020
| Colleen P. Eren
Posted on 02/17/2020 8:05:52 AM PST by karpov
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Democrats Prefer Reforming the Criminal-Justice System to Punishing Criminals says, "Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders propose to reduce by 50 percent the number of people incarcerated in the United States at both the federal and state level. This would be quite the lift. If by incarcerated they mean every prison (as opposed to jail) inmate, they would have to persuade the states (responsible for 88 percent of 1.5 million prisoners) to reduce the sentences for some very serious crimes, eliminate mandatory minimum sentences, and maybe even sharply curtail the use of recidivism as a sentencing criterion."
So we'd have to release people like Madoff. No!
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:05:52 AM PST
by
karpov
To: karpov
Has anybody asked the victims?
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:09:21 AM PST
by
immadashell
(Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
To: karpov
We could release everyone over 55 and still be safer. Violent crime is by and large the province of young men.
How many senior citizen bank robbers are there? I rest my case.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:09:34 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: karpov
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:09:45 AM PST
by
DarthVader
(Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
To: karpov
“So we’d have to release people like Madoff. No!”
So, we let FBI liars walk and Trump supporters get a life sentence for the same crime. Is this an upside-down world or what?
Let Madoff out. He’ll fit in just perfect with the NYC crowd.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:13:30 AM PST
by
icclearly
To: DarthVader
The good thing about Madoff was most of his victims were of the Liberal variety.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:14:54 AM PST
by
immadashell
(Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
To: karpov
It’s cute that this author thinks the Democrats are motivated by some notion of fairness or the rule of law, so that convicts like Madoff “must” be released as part of any criminal justice reform. We see what all that concern about prosecutorial abuse, the rights of the accused, and “restorative justice” is worth when the accused is someone like the Duke Lacrosse players, George Zimmerman, or Roger Stone.
This view is perfectly consistent. Criminal justice reform, for them, has nothing to do with fairness, actual justice, or even good policy. Both “reform” and the justice system itself is a weapon to be used against the left’s enemies, “white supremacists,” the “patriarchy,” and “capitalists.”
To: icclearly
If we release senior criminals, theyre highly unlikely to reoffend: Its just common sense.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:15:33 AM PST
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goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: karpov
This worst of the worst argument, for example, has long undergirded the death penalty, which still stands in 30 states despite its racial and class biases and other flaws that have led hundreds of innocent people to death row.
Crazy people should not be allowed to write editorials!
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:17:08 AM PST
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: The Pack Knight
Im in favor of keeping younger criminals locked up for good. Im as law and order as they come.
But its a waste of money to keep grandpa locked up until he dies.
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02/17/2020 8:17:44 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: karpov
Except Roger Stone and General Flynn.
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02/17/2020 8:18:55 AM PST
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(If you don't recognize that as sarcasm you are dumber than a bag of hammers.)
To: goldstategop
Everyone over the age of 55 was once 50. Everyone 50 was once 45, ... Our actions at age 20 were conditioned on our expectations of the future.
By your logic, if I am 49 and robbing a liquor store, I might as well kill any witnesses, and reduce the chance of a conviction, since the penalty for armed robbery and multiple first degree murders is the same: six years.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:19:01 AM PST
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
(Every election, more or less, is an advance auction of stolen goods. - H. L. Mencken)
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Its who to lock up. Prison space is expensive and we ought to reserve it for the worst of the worst and those who constitute an ongoing danger to society.
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02/17/2020 8:21:41 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: karpov
The FBI has stats on recidivism by age and race. An old fart in prison for a white collar crime usually learns his lesson. The youngsters don’t. You can read daily where New York or Los Angeles with their liberal release policies arrest the same people over and over. The CBP is probably the best source.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:23:34 AM PST
by
A Navy Vet
(I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
To: goldstategop
Bureau of Justice Statistics looked at felony arrests by age
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aus9010.pdf
Releasing people over 50, if it made room for peak-felon age (30 and under), would make our streets safer.
Of course, executing after three violent felony convictions would do even better.
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02/17/2020 8:25:30 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
To: karpov
Emptying the prisons is a really bad idea.
There are very good reasons to keep people incarcerated.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:27:31 AM PST
by
Lurkinanloomin
(Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
To: PapaBear3625
We should give senior criminals probation and call it a day.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:27:50 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: Lurkinanloomin
Richard Pryor said it best: “Thank God We Got Penitentiaries!”
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:29:26 AM PST
by
dfwgator
(Endut! Hoch Hech!)
To: Lurkinanloomin
No Im not in favor of releasing violent criminals. That will make no one safer.
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:29:55 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: A Navy Vet
The FBI has stats on recidivism by age and race. An old fart in prison for a white collar crime usually learns his lesson. A convicted white collar criminal is unlikely to commit white collar crimes again. They were able to commit their crimes by getting into positions of trust. These days, all employers do criminal records checks on applicants.
Who is going to hire someone with ANY felony conviction for any job that involves handling money?
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posted on
02/17/2020 8:37:20 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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