Posted on 06/03/2020 11:34:27 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful
The death of George Floyd after an interaction with the Minneapolis Police Department has rocked the world and while everyone reading this believes that an officer that put his knee in the back of Floyd’s neck for close to nine minutes was the cause of death, the facts and evidence are anything but that.
The Western Journal of Emergency Medicine says that “Excited delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs Subjects typically die from a heart attack and the majority of the patients die before hospital arrival.”
And combined with methamphetamine, studies indicate that fentanyl has a higher chance of inducing fatal hyperthermia. And it just so happens that hyperthermia has a direct correlation with excited delirium.
Fentanyl is also unique among the opioids in its ability to cause muscle rigidity of the chest wall, diaphragm, and larynx. Known as “wooden chest syndrome,” it’s safe to say that the combination of this drug is a recipe for heart stoppage.
The American College of Emergency Physicians’ White Paper Report on Excited Delirium Syndrome recommends two specific responses by law enforcement if they observe signs of excited delirium.
Stating that “Deescalation does not have a high likelihood of changing outcomes significantly”
“The subjects require physical restraint (this is because if they continue to struggle it accelerates the death) combined with emergent sedation.”
“Once the decision to do this has been made, action needs to be swift and efficient, and performed with all responders present when feasible.”
(Excerpt) Read more at lawofficer.com ...
Saint George has joined Saint Mike and Saint Trayvon in the black Pantheon. Blacks sure know how to pick them. All criminals who died engaged in criminal activity. Imagine if they chose innocent law abiding blacks like David Dorn.
I'm not a police officer but I would suspect that in this day and age officers all over the country are faced with subduing suspects high on fentanyl and meth. I would not be surprised at all if this happened hundreds of times, maybe thousands of times, each day. And all those other suspects manage to make it to the police station alive and kicking.
No, kneeling on his neck was not the immediate cause of Floyd's death. But it was a contributing factor and one which the police were responsible for. Floyd may have died in their custody without being knelt on, we won't know. But he did die in their custody, their actions were a contributing factor in that, so they should be charged in his death.
Would that include the police officers who knelt on him?
Not really. They charged Noor with second degree murder in the Justine Diamond shooting and the jury convicted him of third degree murder. That could well happen in this case as well.
And given the contents of the *real* autopsy the prosecution wouldn't dare call the County Medical Examiner as a witness...while questioning him they'd have to treat him as a "hostile witness".
Given what I know...or *think* I know...I could vote guilty on something that would get the kneeling cop 3 years...or maybe even 5...on some kind of "criminal negligence" charge.Nothing more.
It's been announced that the kneeling cop will be charged with 2nd Degree Murder.If,by chance,the jury isn't given an option to consider a lesser charge..."negligent homicide" for example...there's a real chance of a hung jury or a "not guilty" verdict.
Perhaps taking synthetic Heroin and resisting arrest contributed to his own death. Why are we bending over backwards to excuse the crimes of some to search for a crime by others?
Straining at gnats, we swallow camels.
Many of us on these threads ought to apply the lesson drawn from the Zimmerman/Travon Martin case, the Freddie Gray case and the Michael Brown case, in each case we learned-or should have learned- that due process takes time to catch up to the mob.
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In each of these cases, there were Freepers rushing to join the mob. Are libertarian cop haters slowly taking over this site?
The author is leaving out the important information that restraint in prone positioning during excited delirium is also associated with higher death rates.
And he knows damn well that Chauvin’s “technique” contributed to the Floyd’s death because he was doing it wrong.
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A hindsight opinion in based on presumption that cops should be expected to know what’s in medical journals. Anyway, who would be responsible for teaching these nuances to the cops? President Trump?
Because there was a crime by others. Not just by others, but by others we pay to prevent crime and not commit it. I would agree with the medical examiner that all three factors - heart issues, drugs in system, kneeling on Floyd - contributed to Floyd's death. Take away any one of the three and it's probable that FLoyd doesn't die on the street there. But the three did occur, together they all contributed to his death, the police were responsible for one of three - an illegal act by police standards in and of itself, so the police need to be held responsible for their actions.
I could use a new tablet and perhaps a Bose stereo with speakers.
It's been posted.
Well, that's news.
But it was not an illegal act by police standards, it was and is police protocol to use neck restraint.
However the presence of the drug does make that form of restraint dangerous. Unfortunately a police officer er struggling with a suspect does not have time to draw blood and wait for a toxicology report to know that the suspect has taken a powerful illegal sedative.
Assuming that form of restraint is illegal is a problem.
He did not die from cutting off blood flow to the brain, the artery that supplies blood to the brain is on the front side of the neck.
The optics were very bad, but the restraint was not.
He died from a side effect of the drugs he took that reacted to his panic of being restrained. NOT from the restraint itself.
There is a reason why that drug is illegal and this is one of the reasons.
He unintentionally died of suicide by cop, but the cop is not responsible for his illegal drug use.
This whole thing is a scam, just like covid. Targeting the same thing, our economy.
If they violated the law and or policy of course.
That has yet to be proven
The consensus I’m getting around the net is that the DA really doesn’t want a conviction but a not guilty verdict which would likely further inflame the rioting. But that all hinges on whether he can get this to a trial and jury and verdict before the election.
Not for nine minutes.
However the presence of the drug does make that form of restraint dangerous. Unfortunately a police officer er struggling with a suspect does not have time to draw blood and wait for a toxicology report to know that the suspect has taken a powerful illegal sedative.
A situation that police face hundreds or thousands of times each day all over the country. Yet they manage not to kill their suspect. Why couldn't these four?
Assuming that form of restraint is illegal is a problem.
I don't think it will be a problem at all. The Minneapolis Police Department will be more than happy to testify that they did not train their officers to used the restraint for more than a short period of time, certainly not for almost nine minutes. Combined with two other officers kneeling on his back. The police brass will not be friends of the officers in this trial.
He did not die from cutting off blood flow to the brain, the artery that supplies blood to the brain is on the front side of the neck.
According to the medical examiner it was a contributing factor.
He unintentionally died of suicide by cop, but the cop is not responsible for his illegal drug use.
You call it suicide. The prosecutor calls it murder. Prosecutor wins.
I think maybe you did not understand the article. When you have “excited delirium” you are supposed to fully restrain the person. My GUESS is that they stayed too long on him, but thought Floyd had merely passed out.
My goodness, but Doctors accidentally kill about 250,000 Americans per year. See the Candace Owens video here.
How will they get a jury ?
The body cam videos are now evidence so not subject to FOIA until after trial. The fact that they have not been leaked to the media indicates to me that they are not exculpatory.
Law Enforcement use of force training has been teaching about this for 15 years or more and it’s in the MPD manual.
So Chauvin is presumed to know that prone restraint is dangerous. One of the officers actually is heard asking about repositioning because of ExD and is brushed off.
It’s not hindsight to recognize failure to follow training protocol.
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