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JUDGE ISSUES ORDER BANNING PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR FROM HOLDING INDOOR WORSHIP SERVICESTodd Starnes
Todd Starnes.com ^ | Todd Starnes

Posted on 09/11/2020 1:50:16 AM PDT by xzins

A Los Angeles Superior Court judge issued an order banning Pastor John MacArthur and Grace Community Church from conducting, participating in or attending any indoor worship services.

It is a stunning blow to religious liberty.

(Excerpt) Read more at toddstarnes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: caesar; california; church; churchgathering; dsj03; god; government; johnmacarthur; religion; reopen; tyranny
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To: Manic_Episode; xzins
I would like to tell John to pray for a miracle but he is a cessationist....

Since when has Almighty God stopped acting in miraculous ways or discouraged us from seeking His miraculous intervention??? He was doing it BEFORE Pentecost and He will continue to do so after.

    Cessationism is the view that the “miracle gifts” of tongues and healing have ceased—that the end of the apostolic age brought about a cessation of the miracles associated with that age. Most cessationists believe that, while God can and still does perform miracles today, the Holy Spirit no longer uses individuals to perform miraculous signs. https://www.gotquestions.org/cessationism.html

121 posted on 09/11/2020 5:34:11 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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To: boatbums; Manic_Episode; xzins
"Most cessationists believe that, while God can and still does perform miracles today, the Holy Spirit no longer uses individuals to perform miraculous signs."

https://www.gotquestions.org/cessationism.html

LOL... then what by entity are the miraculous signs of the Holy Spirit performed, if not by individual humans??

After His resurrection from the dead, Jesus declared that signs would follow those who believed in Him.

MARK 16:17-18 NKJ

17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

Scripture never says these signs would ever stop following believers. If you believe -- they will follow you!

And since "signs and wonders" are not to be sought, but organically follow in the lives of believers...

(Jesus replied, "A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.")

... what exactly does MacArthur believe will follow believers, if not the signs and wonders promised by Christ?

Therein lies the "doublemindedness" inbred in John MacArthur's teachings.

Cessationism = 2 Timothy 3:5

KJV: “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

NASB: “holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.”

NLT: “They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!”

122 posted on 09/11/2020 5:57:50 PM PDT by Sontagged ("The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork." -Psalm 19:1)
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To: xzins

A purge is coming. So sad if that’s the only solution left. Patriots


123 posted on 09/11/2020 6:06:37 PM PDT by gdc61 (LOL not.)
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To: xzins

A purge is coming. So sad if that’s the only solution left. Patriots


124 posted on 09/11/2020 6:06:37 PM PDT by gdc61 (LOL not.)
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To: Zuriel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GutcVGaUZGk sorry brother but it sounds right to me


125 posted on 09/11/2020 6:18:57 PM PDT by gdc61 (LOL not.)
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To: 444Flyer
Sounds like Gov. Newsome needs to be reminded of what happened to the Egyptian Pharaoh in Moses' day.
126 posted on 09/11/2020 6:28:35 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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To: Sontagged; Manic_Episode; xzins; TexasGurl24; Guenevere
LOL... then what by entity are the miraculous signs of the Holy Spirit performed, if not by individual humans??

No need to mock. We can dialogue without being snarky. The "sign" gifts were given for a specific purpose - to back up the authority of the Apostles and the gospel they preached. Miraculous signs like tongues/languages, prophecy and healings did the same thing. But there are other gifts of the Holy Spirit that should be deemed every bit as edifying as these. It's the same Holy Spirit.

After His resurrection from the dead, Jesus declared that signs would follow those who believed in Him.

And they did - miraculously! In 2 Corinthians 12.12 we learn: "Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.". God used these gifts to prove the authority of the Apostles.

Does what bills itself today as the gift of "tongues" match that of the first century? Do you know of very many people who can speak a foreign language to share the gospel with others that they didn't already learn first? I know of Charismatic Evangelists who hire "interpreters" when they hold services in other countries. Why aren't they capable of using their "gift of tongues"? How many of those who claim to have the gift of "healing" really do as the Apostles and lay hands on the sick and dying and God heals them totally? Benny Hinn? Hardly! Why have a huge multi million dollar building and collect outlandish "tithes" and selectively choose the ones who can make their way to the front for their healing, instead of going to the sick and clearing out hospitals of dying children? God STILL heals - sometimes in miraculous ways - but not by the hands of a "healer" anymore. The Bible is the complete revelation given to us by God. He isn't still having prophets write down new revelation. The purpose for these particular gifts is complete.

Sorry, but what bills itself as being filled with the Holy Spirit only IF the person speaks in "tongues" is decidedly un-Biblical. Not all speak in tongues, Paul told the church at Corinth. Some gifts would "cease" he also said.

Listen, this isn't the thread to get into a long dragged out discussion about gifts of the Holy Spirit. Whether or not you agree with all of John MacArthur's doctrines isn't the point. The point is he shouldn't be standing alone in this battle. We are ALL affected by what happens and just because your state may not be imposing the same restrictions, all Christians must defend our Constitutional rights to the free exercise of religion. Because depending on how this election goes, we may not have another chance.

The Thomas More Society is legally representing MacArthur in this fight. Send them some money and help that way if you can. Encourage your church members to write to their Congress critters, to newspapers, on Facebook, get friends, family and neighbors involved. The battle is the Lord's but we need to show that we are on His side.

127 posted on 09/11/2020 7:59:16 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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To: boatbums
Sounds like Gov. Newsome needs to be reminded of what happened to the Egyptian Pharaoh in Moses' day.

Here he is grinning and gloating in an interview about the fires claiming 'climate change'. The irony is that he's going to understand real climate change if he doesn't repent and get right with Jesus Christ. (Matthew 13:47-50)


128 posted on 09/11/2020 10:40:49 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

+1!!!


129 posted on 09/11/2020 10:55:08 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: boatbums

I don’t know of any cessationist who believes God has stopped interacting with our world. John MacArthur surely isn’t such a one, because he believes the Lord has not gone off in a corner somewhere to wait it all out.


130 posted on 09/12/2020 8:47:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Guenevere

“I believe he will NOT denounce his calling to preach....I believe he will go to jail!”

When we lived in SoCal, the pastors in the two churches we attended were fully prepared to be arrested for taking a strong stand in the pulpit on moral (homosexual, abortion, etc.) and political issues. They even had “succession plans” for others to preach if they had to go. It’s gonna happen.


131 posted on 09/12/2020 8:53:58 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable. Discouragement is a choice.)
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To: boatbums

Fantastic post.


132 posted on 09/12/2020 9:11:46 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: MayflowerMadam

God bless them!

Pray for Pastor MacArthur

His worship service comes on tomorrow ai 1:30 EST...( 10:30 in California)


133 posted on 09/12/2020 9:55:55 AM PDT by Guenevere (**See you at the Franklin Graham Prayer March in DC on September 26!**)
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To: Guenevere

“His worship service comes on tomorrow ai 1:30 EST”

We’ve watched it before and it’s very good. When we lived in the area we attended the church’s Christmas Concert — which was WONDERFUL.

My dear friend is going through intense chemotherapy now, and I sent her the link to that service. So she watches that in addition to Charles Stanley.

We appreciate any church/pastor that takes a firm stand when it comes to choosing between Christ and the government.

(I never met John MacArthur myself, but he wrote the Foreword to a book my cousin, a missionary, wrote a few years back.)


134 posted on 09/12/2020 12:15:41 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable. Discouragement is a choice.)
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To: xzins

An iron curtain is descending over the West Coast...


135 posted on 09/12/2020 12:18:17 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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To: xzins

Yes! You are right on. We need to be much more concerned about a State government exercising power over the Church which belongs to God; than whether John MacArthur has all his theology right.

It is this principle of God’s Sovereignty over His own Church Universal that is the issue here. It is recognized by our Constitution in the First Amendment, but it is God expressing His Will through His Natural Law that gives the First Amendment it’s value and purpose.

That is why “We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights” The governments of human authority cannot take from us what God has given and commanded us to do —even if the State believe it’s for our own welfare and their intentions are good.

The principal that Christians have lived by, and died, for over 2,000 years is: That when the Civil Authorities require what God forbids; or forbids what God requires, then we obey God. In all other secular matters we obey the authorities over us as God commands in Romans 13 until those authorities over-reach their God-given authority and require of us something that belongs to God. In this case, it is his command to assemble and worship Him.

Is there risk from Covid-19?, of course; but when God’s people make a conscious decision of FREE WILL to put their lives in God’s hands and do what He commands, it is GOD that enables that right and NOT the STATE’S right to deny it!

All the State can do is exercise it’s raw power over us, and they will make us suffer. Over the centuries monarchs and Governments have taken our fortunes and and our lives if we did not bend the knee to Caesar and deny God. To be a Christian was and is today not for those who seek an easy and compliant religion when the hard times come; and the Prince of this world requires us to choose which King we will serve.

I don’t know the fine points of John MacArthur’s theology beyond that he believes Jesus Christ to be the Son of God and that he takes him as his Lord and Savior. I don’t know if MacArthur takes a Calvinist or Pentecostal view of the Holy Spirit. But might I not support him in this struggle for lack of this knowledge given his surrender to Jesus Christ? I would not dare.


136 posted on 09/12/2020 12:26:06 PM PDT by windhover (windhover I caught this morning mornings Minion, Kingdom of daylight's Dauphin.)
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To: windhover

God bless!


137 posted on 09/12/2020 12:26:52 PM PDT by Guenevere (**See you at the Franklin Graham Prayer March in DC on September 26!**)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Thank you so much!


138 posted on 09/12/2020 12:28:00 PM PDT by Guenevere (**See you at the Franklin Graham Prayer March in DC on September 26!**)
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To: windhover

Well stated!


139 posted on 09/12/2020 5:01:08 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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To: xzins

Simple solution...”we’re holding a peaceful protest”.


140 posted on 09/12/2020 5:27:12 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Thanks To Biden Voters Oregon Is Now A Battleground State!)
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