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Kremlin TV Airs Call for Russia to Admit ‘Serious Defeat’
The Daily Beast ^ | September 13, 2022 | Julia Davis

Posted on 09/13/2022 1:41:52 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

Brutal realizations have been raining upon the Kremlin’s top propagandists—and when it rains, it pours. The same pundits who used to threaten NATO countries with nuclear strikes are begrudgingly acknowledging that Russia’s Armed Forces have suffered a series of humiliating setbacks in Ukraine.

Appearing on Russia’s NTV show The Meeting Place on Monday, policy analyst Viktor Olevich surmised: “Unfortunately, the situation is difficult. Can we say that the Russian forces moved closer to meeting the goals and carrying out the tasks set by the president at the beginning of the special operation—or did they get further away? Obviously, we’re now further away.”

Bogdan Bezpalko, member of the Council for Interethnic Relations under the President of the Russian Federation, was even more outspoken. “For two months, Ukrainian Armed Forces and military equipment have been massing in that area, all Telegram channels have been writing about it. Where was our damn reconnaissance? All of their heads should be laying on Putin’s desk, hacked off at the base... Of course, this is a tactical defeat. I hope it will be very sobering.”

On Monday’s broadcast of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, filmmaker Karen Shakhnazarov likewise dispensed a large dose of brutal honesty. “I urge everyone not to panic in the face of a defeat we’ve suffered in the Kharkiv region, and we have to acknowledge it,” he said. “A defeat has some meaning when you acknowledge it and draw new conclusions. And if you don’t acknowledge it, all you get is another defeat, perhaps even more devastating. This is a very difficult situation and we have to recognize that we’re battling a very powerful adversary.”

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To: Timber Rattler

“we have to recognize that we’re battling a very powerful adversary...”

LOLOLOL. If they think Ukraine is “very powerful” they better hope Putin never picks a fight with a real power.


21 posted on 09/13/2022 2:20:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Timber Rattler
For two months, Ukrainian Armed Forces and military equipment have been massing in that area, all Telegram channels have been writing about it. Where was our damn reconnaissance? All of their heads should be laying on Putin’s desk,

If true, I agree.

22 posted on 09/13/2022 2:21:27 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Timber Rattler

As for sources, the videos referenced here were cited and presented by various Vloggers 24 hours ago.

The MSM story is lagged a day at least.


23 posted on 09/13/2022 2:21:48 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Its All Over Except ...

“20 administrative district heads out of 1673 (just a little over 1%) in Russia are upset with Putin.”

Correction: 20 administrative district heads are willing to risk being jailed to publicly say they are upset with Putin. We have no idea how many more are also upset but won’t risk speaking about it.


24 posted on 09/13/2022 2:27:00 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: PGR88

“does Putin have the FSU raid opposition party member’s houses like our own democracy-loving DOJ?”

Opposition party in Russia is the allowed opposition. The real opposition Putin just assassinates.


25 posted on 09/13/2022 2:28:37 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: PGR88
does Putin have the FSU raid opposition party member’s houses like our own democracy-loving DOJ?

Geez, they beat LSU and now they think they can do anything.

26 posted on 09/13/2022 2:29:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: cranked

Their eyes and minds are open.


27 posted on 09/13/2022 2:39:53 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Timber Rattler

Filmmaker Karen Shakhnazarov, a great military analyst


28 posted on 09/13/2022 2:46:12 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: BenLurkin; dfwgator

I may be wrong, but I think that side of Cronkite is exactly
what dfwgator was touching on.

He was probably inferring the Russian talking head was
projecting defeat inaccurately.

Hopefully dfwgator will return to let us know.


29 posted on 09/13/2022 2:46:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: Timber Rattler; All

“For two months, Ukrainian Armed Forces and military equipment have been massing in that area, all Telegram channels have been writing about it. Where was our damn reconnaissance? All of their heads should be laying on Putin’s desk, hacked off at the base... Of course, this is a tactical defeat. I hope it will be very sobering.”

It would be worse if they saw and reported it, and command did not respond.

Which is more likely.

Russia’s combat commanders are some of the worst in history.

100s of thousands of tons of ordnance, relatively modern equipment...certainly better than the vast majority of Ukrainian equipment...TU-22’s by the dozens...superior training at lower levels.

Russia has over 3,000 combat aircraft...yet they never bothered to take out Ukrainian air defenses? It would have been easy early on.

Rail lines, roads and bridges INTACT to the West?

Criminal negligence.

Ukraine and the west better hope Russia does not find their US Grant.

Incompetence on a grand, historical scale.


30 posted on 09/13/2022 2:48:30 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Timber Rattler
Sorry, Vlad, you took direct control of the war away from your generals. You broke it; You bought it. No one else’s head belongs on the table, just Putin’s.

Queue the Putin fluffers: What about the southern border, Soros, the perfidious press, Biden, the “queers”, etc.

31 posted on 09/13/2022 3:09:50 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Under 20% of Chinese foreign trade is US related. It is going to be sponsor ve to live without it but not fatal for them. Now check whatever consumer good at every shop and find what is not Chinese made.
The Euroidiots screwed themselves by shunning Russian energy, you are going to make it worse for the American people.


32 posted on 09/13/2022 3:14:50 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
The Chinese economy is dependent upon exports to Europe and the U.S.. If those stop, their economy collapses because people won't have jobs. They are already having severe problems.

The European problem with Russian fuel is short-term. Long-term, Europe can get along just fine without Russia.

33 posted on 09/13/2022 3:20:51 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Cathi

We have more than a few around here. Bots or brats . Something goofy like that.


34 posted on 09/13/2022 3:23:42 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Mariner
Ukraine and the west better hope Russia does not find their US Grant.

Yes. But even in the republic the United States still was then, Grant became President. Putin, and his fellow oligarchs, cannot allow that. Putin is looking for a Zhukov.

35 posted on 09/13/2022 3:28:49 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Mariner
I think all of the things you listed in your post number 30 can be explained by one fact -- that the Russian military is in much worse shape than we thought. 3000 combat aircraft? And how many of them are actually flight-worthy? We've already seen that vaunted, massive Russian tank reserves don't really exist. High-tech military equipment requires massive preventative, scheduled maintenance, and if you don't do it, or even if you do but you can't get the right spare parts, your readiness levels plummet.

Mech vehicles require a ton of maintenance, and even as well-staffed as our maintenance units were, and as superior as our parts system was, and with all the integrity of our maintenance inspection processes, we still had equipment down on a regular basis. Add to the huge number of Russian vehicles the lack of trained personnel, poor parts system, corrupt inspections, and massive theft, and you end up with a hollow military.

My guess is that the Russian generals had pushed as hard as they could because of the pressure for offensive success, until the troops and equipment was exhausted. And that left them ripe for the kind of counter-offensive the Ukrainians launched. The biggest problem for them is that there isn't any way to fix that in the short term. You could start mass conscription tomorrow, and that still isn't going to come close to solving the equipment issues. That is a very long term project.

36 posted on 09/13/2022 3:28:58 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Timber Rattler

Wondering if he has enough canned beans and slim Jims to ride it out.


37 posted on 09/13/2022 3:34:09 PM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: Round Earther

Now I’ll be humming that all night, thanks.


38 posted on 09/13/2022 3:35:50 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

What is more crippling, to lose 17% of exports or stay without all the consumer goods altogether?
Of course Europe is going to survive without Russian energy. The question is in what capacity and it is not going to look a lot like a First world in a couple years anymore.


39 posted on 09/13/2022 3:36:54 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: dfwgator
does Putin have the FSU raid opposition party member’s houses like our own democracy-loving DOJ? Geez, they beat LSU and now they think they can do anything.

Love what you did there... kinda like beating Utah, huh? :)

40 posted on 09/13/2022 3:38:44 PM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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