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Moscow to Kyiv: Meet Russia's demands or we will impose them
Reuters rewritten by AOL ^ | 27 Dec 2022 | Ronald Popeski and Lidia Kelly

Posted on 12/27/2022 2:26:53 AM PST by blueplum

(Reuters) -Moscow's proposals for settlement in Ukraine are well known to Kyiv and either Ukraine fulfils them for their own good or the Russian army will decide the issue, TASS agency quoted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying.

"Our proposals for the demilitarization and denazification of the territories controlled by the regime, the elimination of threats to Russia's security emanating from there, including our new lands, are well known to the enemy," the state news agency quoted Lavrov as saying late on Monday.

"The point is simple: Fulfil them for your own good. Otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army."....

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: europe; kyiv; notourwar; stillnotourwar; swampniks; ukraine; ultimatum
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To: circlecity; lump in the melting pot
Russia isn’t doing anything the US hasn’t been doing for decades.

"Tu quoque" Fallacy!

Next argument (which I shall then likewise proceed to reduce to tatters)?

Regards,

41 posted on 12/27/2022 5:12:18 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: ScottinVA

Ukraine is more unlivable now than Venezuela.


42 posted on 12/27/2022 5:12:57 AM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: entropy12

The difference is the Ukrainians will improve their lot, unlike the Venezuelans.


43 posted on 12/27/2022 5:18:34 AM PST by ScottinVA
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To: blueplum

One of the fascinating things about neoliberalism is the need for constant redefinition of words and concepts.

In the domestic sphere, we redefine “crime” and “criminal”, and cannot process what happens when criminals are no longer prosecuted or are released from jail.

The events in Ukraine are the result of the redefinition of “war” as something that happens between the USA and some group of corrupt Latinos or a coalition of savages living in the eighth century.


44 posted on 12/27/2022 5:21:00 AM PST by Jim Noble (I feel my heart beat faster any place in the neighborhood of the Astor)
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To: blueplum

What a joke....... there is no Russian Army presently worth a damn. The poorly fed Russian Army is freezing in trenches dug to defend against the drones that kill them at will where they cower.

Vodka is the soldiers means of forgetting and keeping warm.


45 posted on 12/27/2022 5:27:02 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality daythis piece is )
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To: blueplum

It is actually rather ironic that the Russians are waxing indignant about “nazis” and “de-nazification,” when, truth be told, today’s Russia is quite “nazi” itself.

Nazism and communism, as we know them, are siblings (though not identical twins) — or, at the very least, cousins — as both are socialist economic systems. The difference is in the approach: Nazism is NATIONAL socialism, whereas communism is INTERNATIONAL socialism.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union Russia has withdrawn from the international and embraced the national. Thus —irony of ironies — Russia is itself arguably nazi.


46 posted on 12/27/2022 5:28:20 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Jonty30
Who knew that Russians were really liberals. “Do as we say willingly or we will impose it upon you.”

Not sure the Russians are liberals, however they certainly know how to speak to liberals.

Imagine how Russian Police would speak to those engaging in an Antifa or BLM riot.

47 posted on 12/27/2022 5:29:39 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Timber Rattler

Pretty much. It’s the old saw: “What’s mine is mine; what’s yours is negotiable.”


48 posted on 12/27/2022 5:30:36 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: blueplum
"note that Russia has fallen back on the 'de-nazification' propaganda"

This 'propaganda'? Sorry, not Russian, this is WESTERN MEDIA:


49 posted on 12/27/2022 5:31:11 AM PST by BobL
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To: Rockingham

“domestic support for the war is declining”

Link please.


50 posted on 12/27/2022 5:32:45 AM PST by BobL
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To: blueplum

“ Fulfill them …Otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army.”

Need a Moscow Bob meme here.


51 posted on 12/27/2022 5:33:56 AM PST by libh8er
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To: circlecity

“Russia isn’t doing anything the US hasn’t been doing for decades.”

Humbug! Name those countries or parts of countries that the US has invaded and then ANNEXED as part of the United States.


52 posted on 12/27/2022 5:34:54 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: circlecity

“We annexed Kosovo from Serbia and gave it to another.”

The UN did that.


53 posted on 12/27/2022 5:36:42 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: blueplum

“DeNazification” ? I thought DeSatanization was the new DeNazification. Whatever happened to DeSatanization ?


54 posted on 12/27/2022 5:36:55 AM PST by libh8er
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To: tlozo

“Sure we grew out of our empire building, when was our last annexed territory?”

Looks as though we’re about to try to add Kosovo to our empire DESPITE signing treaties not to do so.


55 posted on 12/27/2022 5:37:34 AM PST by BobL
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To: circlecity

“We annexed Kosovo from Serbia and gave it to another.”

Guy’s going into legal mode again. Doesn’t matter, the West SIGNED agreements that Kosovo would remain part of Serbia...and once again, we find that the West was simply LYING to Serbia, regarding Kosovo.


56 posted on 12/27/2022 5:39:38 AM PST by BobL
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To: bert

” The poorly fed Russian Army is freezing in trenches dug to defend against the drones that kill them at will where they cower.”

Link please.


57 posted on 12/27/2022 5:40:37 AM PST by BobL
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To: Jim Noble

“The events in Ukraine are the result of the redefinition of “war” as something that happens between the USA and some group of corrupt Latinos or a coalition of savages living in the eighth century.”

Nope. “War” has not been redefined. When reduced to its most basic, war is still simply one group of people attempting to kill another group of people over some squabble, real or imagined.


58 posted on 12/27/2022 5:41:32 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

“Russia is itself arguably nazi.”

With the Twitter Files, I’d say any argument made about modern-day Russia can be made about the US government.


59 posted on 12/27/2022 5:41:43 AM PST by BobL
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To: ought-six

“The UN did that (severed Kosovo from Serbia).”

Link please, specifically when Russia voted for it in the Security Council. If you cannot find that link, it’s because it didn’t happen.


60 posted on 12/27/2022 5:43:50 AM PST by BobL
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