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Top retired Russian general says Putin is leading his country to defeat and humiliation in Ukraine and blames the President for uniting the West with disastrous invasion
MAILONLINE ^ | 14 February 2023 | By WILL STEWART and CHRIS JEWERS

Posted on 02/14/2023 5:27:44 PM PST by dennisw

'At the operational-tactical level, we did not think that within a year we would not be able to liberate the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

'We did not think that there would be such heavy losses, although I then said there would be tens of thousands of dead on both sides.

'But everything turned out to be much worse.'

Some estimates say the losses on both sides are now over 200,000, and rising fast. Russia alone is estimated to have lost as many as 140,000 since February last year.

'It was not expected that there would be such destruction: in fact, entire small towns and villages were demolished to their foundations,' Ivashov said.

'Further, I wrote that we would find ourselves a pariah state, but, frankly, I did not think that we would not have a single ally that has serious influence on the political, economic or military-technical level.'

Ivashov blames Putin for triggering a new alignment between the US and China, and expects this to bear fruit with the pair holding the major sway in the world.

'Russia in such a picture of the world is not mentioned at all as a political player,' he said. 'So now they will create a bipolar world, but without our participation.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: kiryandil

The US has barely touched their current stock. Most o the weapons systems given to Ukraine are out of inventory.

Russia has a lot of stuff. But it is crap quality, and not maintained. Do you think that’s improved in the past year.

They’ve lost about 1,700 tanks. That’s a staggering loss against what was a second class army. With decent leadership and tactics, the Russians should have taken Kiev in a week. They have neither. And THAT hasn’t improved in the past year.

Their primary general is little more than a thug. He executes his men with sledgehammers. His primary fighting force is the Russian version of The Dirty Dozen—a bunch of convicts.

Russia is morally corrupt, I’ll trained, and I’ll equipped. Their offensive is going to rip a generation of Russian men from their country. Even if they win, they will be ineffective and China will own Siberia in a decade.


21 posted on 02/14/2023 6:07:27 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: dennisw
Ivashov blames Putin for triggering a new alignment between the US and China,

.....New Alignment with China......wait....what.....?

And I thought China was the mortal enemy of the USA

22 posted on 02/14/2023 6:09:55 PM PST by spokeshave (Proud Boys, Angry Dads and Grumpy Grandads.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Meanwhile, the Ukie infrastructure is getting smashed, current estimates show 16-18 million Ukies left in Ukraine, from a pre war population of 39 million…depopulated, deenergized, deindustrialized….doesn’t sound like winning no matter what western media says.
Vlad is winning, get used to it….another senile Joe epic fail.


23 posted on 02/14/2023 6:11:18 PM PST by delta7
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To: kiryandil

When you hear stories about the west running out of Ammo because Ukraine, it so Karens are OK with giving more money to Gaytheon.

Russia was never a “Super Power”. They were the white guys pulling the levers of a CCCP Super power. With 160+ Million slaves you can do great things.

Putin had a path if Zelesky fled, but he didn’t. Putin now has a Quagmire and their are 20 “heroes of Ukraine” that will take Zeleskyyyyy’s place if Putin takes him out now.

The Harry Reid equivalent of Russia will soon tell Neo-Neocon Putin “Ukraine is Lost”, but this time it is True.

History repeats itself in many languages.


24 posted on 02/14/2023 6:12:34 PM PST by UNGN
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To: MarMema
not lying, just posted here recently

maybe you missed it

"From Jan 9, Russia restricts exit from country for those liable for military service"

Russia has imposed restrictions on citizens fit for military service to leave the country. The order was sent by the Russian FSB to all border departments of the country, the Main Intelligence Agency of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has said.

"The text states: 'From January 9, 2023, from 00:00, the border department of the FSB of Russia will ensure that citizens who have a conclusion about readiness for military service from categories 'A,' 'B' and 'C' leave the territory of the Russian Federation," the agency's press service said.

For these categories of citizens, the possibility of leaving at all checkpoints in all directions will be closed. At the same time, as follows from the order, citizens of category "B," that is, those who are limitedly fit for military service, will also be banned from leaving. Conscripts belonging to this category are exempted from conscription in peacetime, exempted from military duties and referred to the reserve.



25 posted on 02/14/2023 6:21:35 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: dennisw

If the death tolls are accurate for such a short period of time, then it makes the US wars in Vietnam and the sand box areas look like church picnics.

On the other hand, if we went all out to stop communist aggression in Korea or Vietnam and went up against China, the death tolls would likely equal what Russia is facing today.

And if we actually stood up to the Islamist’s in the sand box, and made a full blown religious war out of it, killing every damn one of them, the death tolls would be staggering too.

I think the difference is we played defense and Russia is playing offense.


26 posted on 02/14/2023 6:26:44 PM PST by redfreedom (You can vote your way into socialism, but you may have to shoot your way out.)
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To: delta7

As soon as Putin throws in the towel, money and people will flow into Ukraine. Europe needs cheap, white labor to make their stuff and grow their food.

Ukraine’s Infrastructure was old Soviet crap. Smashing it means it will be upgraded/modernized.

The post Soviet Government Bureacracy that was the problem with per-war Ukraine may not be there when actual heroes of the country take over after the war. They aren’t fighting to restore the Soviet style graft and corruption.

Joe and Willy Milly aren’t Winning in Ukeland, the Uke people are. Putin missed his shot at a Belarusian style satellite. That will never happen, now.


27 posted on 02/14/2023 6:28:03 PM PST by UNGN
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To: Vermont Lt
The US has barely touched their current stock. Most o the weapons systems given to Ukraine are out of inventory.

Proof please. Links, etc.

28 posted on 02/14/2023 6:30:27 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: dennisw

29 posted on 02/14/2023 6:34:09 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: redfreedom
If the death tolls are accurate for such a short period of time, then it makes the US wars in Vietnam and the sand box areas look like church picnics.

And they aren't sustainable for Russia, either. Ukraine will fight to the last Ukrainian.

Russian soldiers at some point will say it just isn't worth it.

In 30+ years in Iraq and 20+ in Afghanistan, we lost 7 A-10's and 3 F-15E's.

Russia has lost at least 22 SU-25's and 19 SU-34's (their Russian equivalents) in less than one year. Not sustainable.

30 posted on 02/14/2023 6:39:36 PM PST by UNGN
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To: dennisw

Well... There is one way out of this moronic mess and a chance for Russia to shed their label as the worlds pariah... Vlad’s edict making himself ‘President for Life’ makes that ‘way out’ very simple for the Russian people. Kill Putin.


31 posted on 02/14/2023 6:45:45 PM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: UNGN

And the Russian apologist say America is running out of weapons... LOL

Another year of this and Russia will be vulnerable to an invasion from Afghanistan. They better buy that left over equipment before the Taliban figures that out.


32 posted on 02/14/2023 6:50:20 PM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: dennisw

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33 posted on 02/14/2023 6:52:57 PM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: UNGN

Zelensky and the criminals in the Ukrainian government are no heroes. We’d consider ourselves pretty damned lucky to have Putin over Biden. Putin doesn’t hate white people, he doesn’t hate European culture and he is no where near Altus types of dictators we have had. Russia didn’t spend the last 30 years bombing the shit out of poor impoverished countries . That was good ol America . if you love freedom , pray to god Russia destroys Nato and the sick and disgusting leaders of the west. Allare puppets put in place by evil people.


34 posted on 02/14/2023 6:55:25 PM PST by BillyCuccio (MAGA)
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To: dennisw

Well this entire mess from all sides, is insane.

That said, even with our own insanity, I don’t think anyone here has ever seriously wanted to invade the ussr/russia. Its their fantasy pipe dream to keep themselves militarized and a 1984 Goldstein-style whipping boy.

Russia’s neighboring eastern and middle eastern countries and regional peoples have invaded, historically, contracting and expanding russia’s territory - not helped by the west. Another fanatic socialist also did pitting national socialism against soviet socialism, hardly a representative of typical western europe.


35 posted on 02/14/2023 6:55:37 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: dennisw

😂🤡


36 posted on 02/14/2023 6:58:18 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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To: UNGN

The people comparing this war to Afghanistan are funny.
Russia has a nuclear option in case if the US is going to keep doubling down: toerge with China by opening full access to natural resources, and some technologies China still doesn’t have. Russia is already building a top-tier early warning system for China, China is pressing it into a transfer of silent submarine technology.


37 posted on 02/14/2023 7:02:40 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Toerge=to merge.


38 posted on 02/14/2023 7:03:26 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: Vision
I think this has been Biden's plan since the beginning and personally I doubt the Russian people can or will do anything. The West, lead by America have made a horrible, obvious error. Clown President creates a nightmare world.

Biden never had a plan. Barrack's people thought they could poke Putin with no consequenses. The attack was a total miscalculation on their part.

Like Fauci & Francis Collins and Covid, not wanting to be found out as the root cause of all of this is why they had to be seen as the heroes.

But Putin surrounds himself with yes men idiots, and his military is designed for crushing 3rd world countries, not a country of computer science college graduates that love their country.

Ukraine is the human embodiment of the Hope Experiment.

Biden will not remember who he is in a couple years and neither will Ukraine, but they will like the US.

39 posted on 02/14/2023 7:04:02 PM PST by UNGN
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To: NorseViking

There are 150 Bradleys and Strykers on the Dock right now in Bremen Germany, headed to Ukraine.

You are saying Putin doesn’t have the guts to blow them up, but will use Nukes instead?

sure.

Russia is a paper tiger and they should have just threatened war.

China is also learning valuable lessons in quagmiring.


40 posted on 02/14/2023 7:11:15 PM PST by UNGN
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